Beats me. The Hall of Fame voting results from the BBWAA will be announced at 11 am PT. Which is when I will be driving to work, looking for a space in the garage, finding my way up to my office, figuring out who called in sick, rearranging the schedule, going into a small panic over what I have to do before I go on vacation, which is tomorrow.
So by the time I could put up a link, there will already be thousands of people screaming "Fraud!" or "It's about time!" or "Someone gave Shawon Dunston a vote?"
1. If I had a vote for the Hall of Fame, I am not sure how I would vote on relief pitchers (in general). I can see arguments on both sides and I don't know how I feel about it.
2. If relief pitchers are in the Hall of Fame, Goose deserves to be among them.
4 : I hope you're right. It would help if there are not a lot of new greats on the ballot next year. Does anyone know what new guys will be eligible next year? I think Rickey Henderson, maybe.
Congrats to Goose. He was great and he deserves it.
The best thing about the voiting is Rice not getting in at least for one more year. Hopefully better education or the presence of Rickey Henderson will be enough to keep Rice out. If not, Rice's election will be like a linchpin that allows other marginal candidates to make it in.
5 Notable names who will be eligible in 2009 include: Steve Avery, Jay Bell, Mike Bordick, John Burkett, David Cone, Ron Gant, Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Charles Nagy, Denny Neagle, Jesse Orosco, Dean Palmer, Dan Plesac, Rick Reed, Greg Vaughn, Mo Vaughn, Matt Williams, Mike Williams.
The bad: Raines at 24.3%. Really? 75% of a group of baseball experts can look at Tim Raines's career and reject it for the Hall of Fame?
The ugly: Mark McGwire is still stuck in the 25% range. I was curious to see what would happen with him -- would voters punish him for a single season, or would it be lasting? I guess we have an answer.
In other Hall of Fame news, Brady Anderson and Jose Rijo are unable to find anyone to give them a courtesy vote. Harold Baines, with 5.2% of the vote, gets to try to build on his support next year.
Blylevyn, IMO, is more worthy than Rice. And there's always going to be a guy who's "just as good as" the worst HoFer, until you get to the point where everyone who gets even one plate appearance or throws one pitch gets in.
3 Seems fair.
It would be kind of strange to have the position that no relievers are Hall-worthy. We talk about them and GMs think about them as if the position is important, so how could the best of the best of them not be Hall-eligible? But I see what you mean: by ordinary methods of counting player value, the top relievers couldn't measure up to Hall standards.
6 Rice will be in the Hall of Fame eventually. No player has ever received a total like his and then failed to get in, either by the BBWAA or by the VC. Look at Nellie Fox, Jim Bunning... even though the VC has changed, I have to believe that it will continue to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, round up, and put 'em in.
Gil Hodges peaked at, what, 60-something percent? That, I believe is the highest vote total by a player not in the HOF.
15 Of course. Nobody knows what the future holds. But I think that the HOF, and both the writers and the VC, do not like to see players come as close as Rice has come and not make it.
I also wonder if the HOF/VC is happy with a VC that doesn't admit any new players. The VC could change again... any number of things can happen. Point being: before I die, he'll be in the HOF.
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He's old enough to father a child. So that means he could be anywhere from about 12 to however old Tony Randall was when he became a father for the last time.
1. If I had a vote for the Hall of Fame, I am not sure how I would vote on relief pitchers (in general). I can see arguments on both sides and I don't know how I feel about it.
2. If relief pitchers are in the Hall of Fame, Goose deserves to be among them.
For me, he's right on the line. Right now, he defines "just out." Next year, he will define "just in."
Congrats to Goose. He was great and he deserves it.
In other words, Rickey Henderson.
The bad: Raines at 24.3%. Really? 75% of a group of baseball experts can look at Tim Raines's career and reject it for the Hall of Fame?
The ugly: Mark McGwire is still stuck in the 25% range. I was curious to see what would happen with him -- would voters punish him for a single season, or would it be lasting? I guess we have an answer.
In other Hall of Fame news, Brady Anderson and Jose Rijo are unable to find anyone to give them a courtesy vote. Harold Baines, with 5.2% of the vote, gets to try to build on his support next year.
Blylevyn, IMO, is more worthy than Rice. And there's always going to be a guy who's "just as good as" the worst HoFer, until you get to the point where everyone who gets even one plate appearance or throws one pitch gets in.
"Fraud," cried the maddened thousands, and the echo answered "Fraud,"
But one scornful look from Bob, and the multitude was awed.
It would be kind of strange to have the position that no relievers are Hall-worthy. We talk about them and GMs think about them as if the position is important, so how could the best of the best of them not be Hall-eligible? But I see what you mean: by ordinary methods of counting player value, the top relievers couldn't measure up to Hall standards.
9 Ouch.
Gil Hodges peaked at, what, 60-something percent? That, I believe is the highest vote total by a player not in the HOF.
I also wonder if the HOF/VC is happy with a VC that doesn't admit any new players. The VC could change again... any number of things can happen. Point being: before I die, he'll be in the HOF.
He's old enough to father a child. So that means he could be anywhere from about 12 to however old Tony Randall was when he became a father for the last time.
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