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ALDS Game 4 Open Thread: Rays vs White Sox, 2:07 pm PT
2008-10-06 13:30
by Bob Timmermann

Held over for at least one more day! It's the ALDS between Tampa Bay and Chicago. The Rays have a 2-1 lead, but still have one more game to play in "blackout" conditions at US Cellular Field.

The Rays will send out Andy Sonnanstine, the man with 4 Ns in his surname, against Gavin Floyd, the man with two first names. I've been trying to find someone with more than 4 Ns in his name, but it's hard to search such things. There was a Red Nonnenkamp. Bring out your Ns!

Cardboard Gods should return tonight with a far, far more interesting lead in to the game chat for the Red Sox-Angels game.

Comments (54)
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2008-10-06 13:35:55
1.   underdog
...blackout conditions?
2008-10-06 13:39:42
2.   das411
Yknow, surrounded by the blackened souls of the horrible people who are White Sox fans like Barack Obama (no Rule 5!) and Jerry Reinsdorf and Scott Long.
2008-10-06 13:58:45
3.   ToyCannon
I consider that a plus for Obama that he's a Southsider.

Rooting for the Rays but wouldn't mind them taking this back home. Nothing like helping to build a fan base then to win their 1st series at home. While reviewing the BA league updates I've come to the opinion the Rays could have put together a better rotation on Aug 31st from their minor leagues then 1/2 the AL league.
Price, W Davis, Hellickson, Jeff Neimann, One Armed McGee.

Kazmir, Shields, and Garza are givens for 2009. You have to put Price in and Wade Davis should force his way in by July. That leaves them able to trade Sonnanstine, E Jackson, and Neimann while moving McGee to the Bullpen all from within the organization. Already set at 1st (Pena), 2nd (Iwamura), SS(Bartlett - Brignac), 3rd (Longoria), C (Navarro), LF (Crawford), CF (Upton) they only need to upgrade RF and DH. Maybe only one of those if they pick up Rocco's option now that he can play again.


2008-10-06 14:00:16
4.   ToyCannon
I remember you as the only Philly fan at DT. Are you conflicted or is this a no-brainer for you? I never knew which way your highest loyalty lied. I suspect with the Phillies.
2008-10-06 14:02:25
5.   Humma Kavula
Some people think that Andy Sonnenstine has five Ns in his name.
2008-10-06 14:09:57
6.   underdog
White Sox will win this one 4-2. That's underdog's fearless, pointless prediction.
2008-10-06 14:10:01
7.   Humma Kavula
Bossman Junior delivers.
2008-10-06 14:10:21
8.   underdog
And there's one of the 2 right there!

Hah hah.

2008-10-06 14:11:01
9.   underdog
I made my prediction before seeing how Gavin Floyd would look today. I think I'm about to rescind it.
2008-10-06 14:11:09
10.   Jon Weisman
Upton, upton and away ...
2008-10-06 14:12:03
11.   Humma Kavula
6 We're making predictions? Okay. Put me down for Tampa, 6-3.
2008-10-06 14:17:16
12.   ToyCannon
Not bad for a guy with a torn labrum.
2008-10-06 14:20:53
13.   LogikReader
Good start for TB, isn't it?

Rays 1
You-can-put-it-on-the-boards 0

2008-10-06 14:21:31
14.   LogikReader
Pierzynski was robbed!

And the universe loves it!

2008-10-06 14:22:34
15.   ToyCannon
I like AJ, his attempt yesterday to block the throw from Navarro was subtle yet classic.
2008-10-06 14:24:36
16.   Humma Kavula
15 I like AJ

So YOU'RE the one!

2008-10-06 14:54:04
17.   Jon Weisman
Upton Sin-clear!
2008-10-06 14:54:08
18.   Alex41592
The very good B.J Upton showed up today. He's all over Gavin Floyd.
2008-10-06 14:54:20
19.   ToyCannon
2008-10-06 14:55:19
20.   ToyCannon
Fastest wrists in baseball.
2008-10-06 14:58:50
21.   Humma Kavula
Bossman The Younger 2
Hawk Harrelson Happy Moments 0
2008-10-06 15:01:28
22.   KG16
this BJ Upton kid seems to be pretty good. Too bad Ned never thought to get him whilst giving away the farm
2008-10-06 15:02:27
23.   underdog
17 Argh! Welcome to "The Jungle."


Man, he's impressive. Looks like Floyd's also given him a couple of fat pitches up in the zone.

2008-10-06 15:13:38
24.   underdog
We have some lovely parting gifts for you, Gavin Floyd. Thanks for playing.
2008-10-06 15:13:47
25.   Humma Kavula
Is this the end of the Chicagos?
2008-10-06 15:14:53
26.   Alex41592
22 - Probably would've had to give up a small fortune for B.J Upton. Even then not a chance.
2008-10-06 15:15:14
27.   ToyCannon
Uncle Miltie and I lobbied hard for him several years ago when TB was dicking around with him. Probably a good thing he didn't come here. If Kemp got roasted for what he did, Upton would have been crucified when he got very lazy this August and just decided he didn't need to run out ground balls. With his speed he can't make that determination, he's not Eric Karros.
2008-10-06 15:16:00
28.   Fan since 59
15 I kind of like AJ, too. He's the kind of player you love when he plays for your team but you hate when he's on another team. He is good at stirring the pot.
2008-10-06 15:18:33
29.   Humma Kavula
28 I don't know that I have those kinds of players. There are players I dislike but tolerate when they play for my team -- not to name names, but their names rhyme with Jeff Kent and Kevin Brown -- but I never go so far as to like those players.
2008-10-06 15:25:43
30.   Fan since 59
There are few players I truly dislike. I hated Nolan Ryan when he was with the Angels because of too many comparisons to Koufax. By the time he retired, I had learned to grudgingly admire him because all he accomplished in his later years. The same with Pete Rose. Barry Bonds I still dislike.
2008-10-06 15:43:59
31.   Humma Kavula
Your Nolan Ryan is my Derek Jeter. The guy is a surefire Hall of Famer, but that doesn't stop some people from making him out to be more than he is.
2008-10-06 15:51:20
32.   das411
4 , no contest, born into Phillies phandom whiles the Dodgers were just another team on the schedule until discovering DT.

31 - Can we see how long we can keep this one going? Like so:

"Your Derek Jeter is my Sandy Koufax. The guy is a surefire Hall of Famer, but that doesn't stop some people from making him out to be more than he is. "

2008-10-06 16:01:18
33.   Fan since 59
[31,32]Jeter rises to the occasion. I think back to that flip to Posada that got Jeremy Giambi at the plate in the playoffs, him flying into the stands to catch a pop up, plays like that. With Ryan, I always shared Buzzie Bavasi's sentiment when he let Ryan leave the Angels after a 16-14 season. "All I need to replace him are two 8-7 pitchers." You take Ryan's six best seasons throughout his career and they don't equal Koufax's 61-66 seasons. But you had to admire how long Ryan pitched, especially considering how hard he threw in the days long before pitch counts.
2008-10-06 16:06:31
34.   KG16
So, the Windy City suicide hotline must be real busy this week, huh?
2008-10-06 16:07:54
35.   KG16
33 - if Ryan ever had a defense or offense to go with his game, he'd have been totally unstoppable. Even still, he was pretty much the most unhittable pitcher of his time.
2008-10-06 16:11:31
36.   KG16
33 - also, Ryan in 1972-1974 was as dominate a three year period as you'll ever see, 1000+ strike outs, 62 wins, 72 Complete Games, and 16 shutouts
2008-10-06 16:18:02
37.   Humma Kavula
32 That's fair enough, I suppose. I love Sandy for a lot of reasons, but I don't think he's the best pitcher in the Hall of Fame.
2008-10-06 16:20:45
38.   dzzrtRatt
Derek Jeter really doesn't have any contemporary comps. Thanks to the brilliant managing of Joe Torre, Jeter got lots of attention that a dozen other good-but-not-great players could have gotten. Combined with his good looks and the wisdom of staying unmarried, and you've got a guy who is disproportionately highly-regarded.

Who else achieved household name status during Jeter's career span? Bonds, A-Rod, Griffey Jr., Manny, Pujols, Vladdy, Randy Johnson, Maddux, Smoltz... they all seem pretty deserving of their fame.

2008-10-06 16:26:08
39.   underdog
Season's about to slip away from the ChiSox...
2008-10-06 16:27:26
40.   Fan since 59
36 Koufax 1964-66: 72 wins, 922 Ks, 20 shutouts, 69 complete games. ERAs of 1.74, 2.04, 1.73. All ERAs were better than one run below the league average. For the three years, Koufax had 202 total walks. Ryan walked 201 in 1974 alone. Ryan's best ERA was 2.89 in 74. The league ERA was 3.41.

I loved 34 though.

2008-10-06 16:30:34
41.   Humma Kavula
38 You're kind of implying that Jeter is good-not-great. I don't know that that's fair. He scores very well on the HOF Standards and Monitor... less well on Black and Grey Ink, but he is a shortstop.

He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, which he will be when he retires. Five of his top 10 comps are HOFs, and among the other five are Barry Larking and Alan Trammell, who should both be in the HOF, and (in a weird coincidence) Joe Torre, who's borderline.

My problem with Jeter is how for some folks, this isn't enough.

2008-10-06 16:31:43
42.   ToyCannon
Your Sandy Koufax is my Roger Clemens. I'll take Sandy any day of the week in a big game against Roger and I don't care how chemical enhanced Roger gets, he ain't winning the game unless the 66 Dodgers are playing behind Sandy.
2008-10-06 16:33:46
43.   Fan since 59
42 Just so long as Willie Davis isn't playing center field.
2008-10-06 16:36:20
44.   Humma Kavula
42 Clemens is a bizarre figure these days. If you had asked me two years ago who I wanted on my team, Clemens or Maddux, I'd have gone with Clemens. 143 ERA+ vs. 132 for Maddux. 1300 strikeouts more than Maddux.

Now, I don't know.

2008-10-06 16:41:04
45.   dzzrtRatt
Will any stars of Jeter's level of hotness emerge from this Rays powerhouse that looks like it could easily get into the Series?

You pretty much have to play in NY or Boston, or break long-held records, to become a household name nowadays. I was thinking about Justin Morneau as a deeply overrated player, except he really isn't overrated since nobody actually knows who he is.

2008-10-06 16:44:25
46.   ToyCannon
Andrew kept telling us Morneau was overrated and then he put up another near MVP season.
2008-10-06 16:49:00
47.   underdog
Darnit, I wish I could watch the end of this game at work. 6 outs to go.
2008-10-06 17:05:10
48.   underdog
3 outs to go before Hawk Harrelson becomes Sad Panda Harrelson.
2008-10-06 17:12:14
49.   underdog
An IBB of Pena to face Longoria again? Oohh-kay.
2008-10-06 17:19:30
50.   Woden325
1 more out. And then the Rangers will stand alone in the post-season futility column.
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2008-10-06 17:21:29
51.   LogikReader
Game over! Series over! The Rays win, thuuuuuuh Rays Win!

Party over at Cardboard Gods Angels/Red Sox thread! BEAUTIFUL!!

2008-10-06 17:21:43
52.   underdog
Congrats to the Rays and their thousands of fans!

I'm happy for the Rays, but that was kinda sad to see Griffey strike out in what could be his last at bat, to make the final out. :-(

2008-10-06 17:22:36
53.   Woden325
52 Agreed. Ken Griffey Jr deserves better for his last at bat.
2008-10-06 17:28:40
54.   Humma Kavula
11 I was close.

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