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Maury Brown examines the recent HOF vote -- added info
2006-03-06 09:50
by Bob Timmermann

Maury Brown in the Hardball Times takes a closer examination at the voting process for the recent Negro Leagues induction for the Baseball Hall of Fame.

So, what are we left with? Unfortunately, it seems that the Hall is in a no-win situation. There seem to be cases that could be made for inducting both O'Neil and Miñoso, but not under the criteria of the Special Committee vote. Certainly in the case of O'Neil, there could be consideration of an alternative method for induction based on his "contributions to the game."

And an ESPN Insider column Rob Neyer defends the committee and also contrasts the election of Effa Manley against other executives who aren't in the Hall of Fame, such as Walter O'Malley, Jacob Ruppert, and Barney Dreyfuss.

I think O'Malley's omission from the Hall of Fame is one of the more inexplicable decisions in HOF history. But as long as the myth of the idyllic and beloved Brooklyn Dodgers and their fans, who apparently were specially touched by the baseball gods and endowed with magical powers that separated them from mere mortals, then O'Malley's plaque will not be going up in Cooperstown.

Ruppert and O'Malley are two owners that the other owners should be grateful for as they helped transform baseball ownership from being a small-time operation into a license to print money if done correctly.

2006-03-06 08:15:27
1.   Suffering Bruin
Buck O'Neill should be in for his "contributions to the game." I don't think anyone can seriously argue with that one.

If Minnie Minoso were not barred from the game, there is little question that he would have put together an HOF-worthy career. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

I think the former will eventually get in and hopefully he'll be around to see it. I fear the latter will always be on the outside looking in unless a Rizzuto-like constituency gets going on his behalf.

2006-03-06 08:24:30
2.   Ali Nagib
I think that one thing that's been overlooked in the analysis of the fact that the only two living members of this ballot got left out is the flipside of the argument: For most of the people that got inducted, this was probably their last (and only) chance to make it in. O'Neal and Minoso aren't going to be immediately forgotten, so they still have opportunities to make it in the coming years (or even decades). Perhaps they'll both end up being inducted posthumously, but that's better than never making it at all.
2006-03-06 18:38:17
3.   grandcosmo
Suffering Bruin I could seriously argue with both of your contentions but I won't. Suffice it to say that I don't believe that what O'Neil accomplished in both the Negro and Major Leagues warrants induction to the Hall of Fame.

Although I would put Minoso in the HOF I can see where others would disagree. Based on what I have read about his Negro League career, I don't think it added substantially to his overall career.

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