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From reading the comments that I get in the game chats for the WBC, I've noticed that one of two things must be true:
1) there must be people reading from countries outside the U.S. or people who are recent immigrants
or
2) American readers who don't want the USA to win
So, here's my question. Who are you rooting for and why? And more specifically, if you're from the USA and you're not rooting for the US team is it because:
1. you don't like the players on the team
2. you want to root for an underdog
3. you're one of them outside agitators I've heard about and if so, I'll be ratting you out to the FBI.
I know we've had people from South Africa, Korea, and Japan visit. But I don't think there's been anyone from any of the Latin American countries visiting here. And I really think my Dutch and Italian readership was pretty low. Or nonexistent. Same thing with the Australians.
So among people who are rooting for someone in the WBC should the cheer go "USA! USA! USA!" or should it go "USA? USA? USA?"
Update I'll be periodically bumping this thread up to get more opinions.
For the record, I'm in same boat as Cliff. I just want to see exciting games and we had those yesterday in Anaheim.
I'll be in Anaheim Wednesday night and I might go down to San Diego Saturday for the first semifinal if I can get my act together.
If the final were a USA-Cuba matchup, it would be great drama, but I would end up rooting for the American side. A USA-Puerto Rico final would be interesting for different reasons.
YES and the Yomiuri Giants have a relationship, but I don't think any games from Japan have shown up on YES. Not that someone living in California or Hawai'i can see YES anyway.
Plus you have Chan Ho turning into Dennis Eckersley and Buck Martinez letting Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley warm the bench for Jeter and...Mike Young. Yeah.
I am a bit shocked at the quality of baseball being played by the Koreans. Never thought of baseball as being a sport that would take hold in a cold weather country but they look like they play some solid baseball.
I am headed back to the stadium tonight to see Korea/USA. WBC has exceeded any expectations I might have had.
And I wouldn't mind a non-US team winning, since that might increase interest for baseball in the winning country. We know we're the best; let someone else have their fun.
I found myself at the Korea-Mexico game last night rooting for BOTH teams, which surely confused the partisans nearby. But I was just enjoying seeing live baseball again, and seeing some players I'd never heard of playing some pretty damn good ball.
Just saw the replay. brutal call. that is a shame but that's baseball.
winn was so shallow and the runner beat his throw so easily that I wonder if the ump let that and the USA team reaction influence the call.
In the middle of last night's game, ESPN showed people mopping up the roof of the dugout. Turned out they were doing it so some dancers could perform on it a few innings later.
Don't merengue on a wet dugout roof!
Japan is mostly black even though it's not their color. Japan does have the cool helmets with the dull finish on them.
I would like to see Cuba in San Diego and at least one of the Asian teams. I prefer Japan as they have a better chance of going all the way, but Korea has the leg up on them.
Mostly its been nice to watch baseball.
Bob re 5 - I think a US-Puerto Rico matchup in the final would be endlessly fascinating. Particularly if PR won.
However, I'm also a big fan of the underdog so I'm siding with Korea although I know they don't really have a legitimate shot.
I don't know why, but I also wanted the U.S. to lose to Japan as well. It's not because I think the U.S. is a bully (e.g., I LOVED it when the original USA Dream Team crushed their opponents in the 1992 Olympics).
It's just that other countries seem to be so passionate about baseball and respect it so much that they send their best players while the U.S. seemed, at least initially, to be arrogant (those ads with Roger Clemens boasting, "We invented baseball and we'll show them how it's played") and then they win with these lackluster efforts, poor umpiring, and with many stars staying home.
I also think there's a lot of arrogant Americans who think they're always the best and it'd be nice to have a mini-"Glory Road" in the WBC -- whether it's Cuba, Venezuela, or Korea playing the underdog.
I can't say I like many of the uniforms though. The Koreans and Mexicans look sharp, but most everyone else looks like they were trying too hard to be marketable.
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice on MLB.com that some of the teams have home, road, and alternate hats? There's only something like 9 games if you make it all the way to the end!
I'm rooting, I guess, for the Dominican & Japan, the Dominican because of David Ortiz, and Japan beccause I find them interesting to watch. I also think it would be funny if Hee Seop Choi blew up and took Korea all the was single-handedly, mostly because it would make Dusty Baker & Jim Tracy look stupid.
Also I burn flags. American ones. Wrapped around little American babies. Then I eat what's left. There's nothing like flag-broiled baby.
I knew. Outside agitators.
Actually, these have been very interesting opinions to read. And a good discussion. I think international play in baseball is quite new for everyone.
I'm assuming that the crowds have been enthusiastic, but still relatively mellow. It's not like I've heard reports of Puerto Ricans and Dominicans duking it out like it was a UEFA qualifier between Turkey and Switzerland.
That said, I have to say, we don't look like the dominating force that Roger Clemens thinks we are (why didn't we have Clemens start this game, instead of having him spit fire against the hapless South Africans? I think having Clemens start would've held Japan in check, reducing the chance of any international incidents that didn't involve fastballs to the skull) 747s have better luck landing in a blizzard than our pitchers did finding the strike zone. Japan, surprisingly, had some fielding issues. We also looked downright leadfooted against the Japanese squad.
He said that before the tournament started.
This is known in the business as "hubris".
Korea seems to be an excellent defensive team.
I'm mildly rooting against the USA, but that's because I strongly dislike Buck Martinez from his days as the Jays' manager. It'd also be a better story if someone else won the first one.
One question: What´s up with the american baseball fans not watching the WBC ?
I mean, Spring training and Basketball College is good but.. c´mon this is proving to be one of the baseball events of the year.
ohh.. and i´m cheering for Mexico ;)
We like to gamble on college basketball. Hence the coverage of it.
Gambling on the WBC is not a good "investment". The games aren't that predictable especially at this round.
Also, thank you for the kind words!
Gambling makes me uneasy. I just like basketball is all.
Wasn't really rooting for 'our' team, as I knew from the get go we wouldn't make it out of the first round. I was just hoping we wouldn't embarrass ourselves, and I think we succeeded in that.
I consider the USA the 'bully' of the field, expected to win, so I'm rooting against them. They could have fielded a much better team, and a general lack of interest causes them to have to use guys like Holliday and Winn...now THAT is embarrassing..:)
But, they should still win this tournament. But I'm hoping someone somewhere will pull an upset, most likely DR or Korea. And I like Korea's style of play, so I'm rooting for them right now.
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