In my indoor soccer league, it would have been whistled dead as soon as it bounced. There's a three-line pass rule, where the ball can't cross three lines (similar to ice hockey lines) in the air.
That's one heck of a tough bounce, although really, it wasn't all the tough a ball to stop. I'm pretty sure that even I could've blocked it (the goal is only 8' high). The keeper just misjudged it.
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Unless they've changed the rules, a player doesn't have to touch it to be declared offsides. Offsides is declared at the instant a player (in this case Martinez) plays the ball forward while offensive players are behind the defense.
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You're right. I was conflating being in an offside position with actually being called for it. The sad thing is that I coached soccer for 13 years, and I used to know that rule inside out..
I was trying to make it simple for the less soccer-oriented among us.
Not that they are paying attention to this thread anymore.
I've tried to tell people why there is an offside rule and why it's necessary, but a lot of people don't believe me. They apparently just want to watch soccer where goalies punt the ball down the field all game.
11- The less soccer-oriented are still paying attention. We don't strive to know the look of that which bores, but we're a gritty bunch. And loyal.
I don't like the offsides rule because it takes away fast breaks. I like fast breaks. Plus, it seems a little pansy-ish. Oh, you weren't ready for the other team to try to score? Well, that's not fair. . .
Except... I can recall a game where one of my wings took a shot that the keeper blocked. The rebound went to a midfielder who shot it back and scored. Or so we thought. All of a sudden I see the linesman pointing his flag at the wing, who had fallen down after her original shot. The defense had moved up enough that she was offside when the scoring shot was taken. The ref called her offsides, and negated the goal. I remember being incensed at the time. So either the ref was in error, or trying to get up means "actively involved in the play." :)
Polish goalkeepers have a Hall of Shame where they can put that goal. Of course, reigning HOFer, Jerzy Dudek is the king of the-bloody-shot-tricked-through-my-legs.
13 That play would not be considered offises anymore. There was a rule change a year or two back, where the offsides player has to be actively involved in the play.
As far as I know, you can still score with a player offsides, provided that he doesn't touch the ball. If the shot comes off the keeper and back out, however, if the offense recovers the ball, then it's offsides.
That one was all on the Polish keeper. He wasn't being unfairly drawn out by the opposition, so it wasn't offside, even if there were players behind the other defenders. It's not just that they weren't actively part of the play, but that they didn't draw anyone's attention.
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/FIFALawsOfTheGame/Postings/2002/05/12115.htm
Also, here's another look at the goal on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkaGEx3qDc
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Basically, you can't play the ball if it passed to you if you are the only player between the rest of the defense and the goalie.
That's one heck of a tough bounce, although really, it wasn't all the tough a ball to stop. I'm pretty sure that even I could've blocked it (the goal is only 8' high). The keeper just misjudged it.
And if he wasn't involved in the play, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Unless they've changed the rules, a player doesn't have to touch it to be declared offsides. Offsides is declared at the instant a player (in this case Martinez) plays the ball forward while offensive players are behind the defense.
The offside player has to be "actively involved in the play."
You're right. I was conflating being in an offside position with actually being called for it. The sad thing is that I coached soccer for 13 years, and I used to know that rule inside out..
Not that they are paying attention to this thread anymore.
I've tried to tell people why there is an offside rule and why it's necessary, but a lot of people don't believe me. They apparently just want to watch soccer where goalies punt the ball down the field all game.
I don't like the offsides rule because it takes away fast breaks. I like fast breaks. Plus, it seems a little pansy-ish. Oh, you weren't ready for the other team to try to score? Well, that's not fair. . .
Alas, soccer, even at its highest levels is not played by robots.
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/FIFALawsOfTheGame/Postings/2002/05/12115.htm
Also, here's another look at the goal on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkaGEx3qDc
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