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WC 2006: Match Chat, Argentina vs. Ivory Coast, noon PT
2006-06-10 11:33
by Bob Timmermann

Live from Hamburg!

Los Albicelestes take on Les Eléphants.

I'd call the latter by their proper name in the headline, but it has too many diacriticals in it, Côte d'Ivoire. It's the first World Cup for the Ivoirians.

It's Argentina's 14th appearance and they've won twice and finished second twice.

2006-06-10 12:15:32
1.   Bob Timmermann
Almost a goal! Just a wee bit short. A very wee bit apparently.
2006-06-10 12:18:03
2.   Bob Timmermann
From the replay, it looks like the ball didn't get ENTIRELY across the line. Maybe about 80% of it. That may have been a harder call than the one in the 1966 final.
2006-06-10 12:21:25
3.   D4P
I've watched only about 2 minutes of the WC thus far, but it happened to be 2 minutes that included Argentina's almost goal. (It's on the Spanish channel, and while I did win "Spanish student of the year" as a junior in high school, I haven't really used it since, so I couldn't really understand what they were saying).

Does the entire ball have to cross the line for it to be a goal?

BTW: I think the Ivory Coast's Spanish name was something like "La Costa de Marfil."

2006-06-10 12:22:55
4.   Bob Timmermann
You have the Spanish name correct. Just go to and then click on the "español" link to verify.
2006-06-10 12:24:47
5.   Bob Timmermann
Oh, and to answer your other question, soccer is like hockey, the ball (like the puck) has to go completely over the line for the goal to count.

For that matter, in basketball, the ball has to go completely through the rim for it to count also, but I've only seen a ball bounce out part way in once and that was when a player dunked a ball off his own head.

That goal counts!

2006-06-10 12:26:39
6.   D4P
What do ya know about that...

So, who are the favorites this year?

2006-06-10 12:28:02
7.   Bob Timmermann
The usual suspects: Brazil, Italy, Germany, Netherlands.
2006-06-10 12:34:51
8.   Bob Timmermann
In case you were wondering, the ball has to go completely out on the sides too. And you can stand out of bounds (touch) and play the ball.
2006-06-10 12:36:50
9.   Bob Timmermann
The Ivoirians have their surnames on their jerseys in lower case.
2006-06-10 12:37:46
10.   D4P
Yeah, and apparently the goalie can stand inside the net (on the "goal" side of the line), while touching the ball, as long as the ball itself is at least partially on the field side of the ball.

I played soccer through around 6th grade. Up until that point, it was fun and not very physical. But once I reached the point where players started "slide-tackling," I felt I had had enough.

2006-06-10 12:39:43
11.   Bob Timmermann
They like to keep the game moving.

Ivory Coast was a chic pick to make some noise, but it may not be good noise.

2006-06-10 12:42:11
12.   D4P
Wow. I see that Arg has scored two goals in the short time since I turned off the TV.

I think I'm rooting for Togo to win it all.

2006-06-10 12:45:09
13.   Bob Timmermann
Togo is likeliest the longest of long shots now. Especially after the other long shot (Trinidad & Tobago) got a tie in its opening match against Sweden.
2006-06-10 12:48:16
14.   D4P
Who's to say...?
2006-06-10 12:50:37
15.   Bob Timmermann
Togo is in a mediocre group. Korea, France, and Switzerland are the other three.

Togo isn't even the biggest longshot in its opening match.

Croatia appears to be because they are playing Brazil.

2006-06-10 12:52:38
16.   D4P
Togo isn't even the biggest longshot in its opening match.

I'll take it! There's a long way Togo, er, to go...

2006-06-10 12:59:56
17.   Bob Timmermann
Togo's coach quit today. So did his assistant.
2006-06-10 13:03:38
18.   D4P
Um, well, good riddance! What does a soccer coach really do, anyway? Make one or two substitutions per game? I think the players can take care of that on their own...

It'll take more than coaches quitting to derail the Togo Train! I'm planning a big Togo Toga party to celebrate when they win the Cup.

2006-06-10 13:04:53
19.   Bob Timmermann
Three substitutions actually.
2006-06-10 13:06:32
20.   D4P
Darn, that changes everything.
2006-06-10 13:08:11
21.   Sandus
The left side of the CIV defense is just letting people run right past them.
2006-06-10 13:08:49
22.   Bob Timmermann
I should also be technical and use the term "manager" for soccer coaches. That's what the rest of the English-speaking world uses.
2006-06-10 13:10:18
23.   D4P
Along those lines, you should probably use "football" instead of "soccer," no?
2006-06-10 13:10:48
24.   Bob Timmermann
I've got my limitations.
2006-06-10 13:41:30
25.   Ken Arneson
Goal! 2-1! Now we've got a match!
2006-06-10 13:42:00
26.   Sandus
I'm disappointed by the officiating, which looks to be pro-Argentina.
2006-06-10 13:43:41
27.   Bob Timmermann
Waving that one off!
2006-06-10 13:43:46
28.   Ken Arneson
That offsides call sure wasn't pro-Argentina! That could have been 3-1.
2006-06-10 13:49:20
29.   Sandus
When two guys are 3 yards offside, it's hard to get a gift no-call.
2006-06-10 13:51:54
30.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, everyone's sentimental favorites hold on for the win...

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