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WC 2006 Match Chat: Germany vs Poland, noon PT
2006-06-14 11:31
by Bob Timmermann

Live from Dortmund!

In the first matchup of teams that have already played, Germany tries to keep its lead in Group A with a match against Poland. Germany beat Costa Rica 4-2 in its opener and Poland lost to Ecuador 2-0. If Poland loses, they're pretty much done. If Poland ties, they're just mostly done.

Poland tends not to fare well against Germany in soccer, to say the least. In 14 matches against their neighbors to the east, Germany has 10 wins and four draws.

Germany's Miroslav Klose was born in Poland as was Lukas Podolski.

National anthems:

Germany, Das Lied der Deutschen

Poland, Mazurek Dąbrowskiego

Comments (76)
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2006-06-14 11:34:32
1.   Greg Brock
Let's try to keep the Uber Alles jokes to a minimum. Okay, let's not.
2006-06-14 11:38:13
2.   Linkmeister
"Poland tends not to fare well against Germany in soccer"

Or much of anything else, either.

2006-06-14 11:40:32
3.   Bob Timmermann
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach laßt uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
|: Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland. :|
2006-06-14 11:41:28
4.   Greg Brock
Oh, and if you have an "All out hooligan riot" office pool, this one is the probable winner.
2006-06-14 11:41:29
5.   xaphor
Let the battle for Prussia begin or Poles Apart
2006-06-14 11:43:40
6.   Greg Brock
Expect Germany to emphasize playing in space, or "Leibensraum", if you will. Boy, this is going to be one interesting thread.
2006-06-14 11:49:01
7.   Greg Brock
Oh, and the fat kid in the Adidas commercial had the way better team, until Jose pulled Beckenbauer out of nowhere. The equivalent of the ringer showing up when you were a kid, and the other team was picking in kickball.
2006-06-14 11:50:36
8.   yankee23
Does this match ultimately decide who gets Silesia?

6 I'd probably go with Spielraum over Lebensraum, but look for them to try to cross it for Ballack.

2006-06-14 11:52:45
9.   Greg Brock
Lebensraum was a WWII reference, the German justification for taking the Sudetenland and Poland...Just a little war humor...many more to come.
2006-06-14 11:53:33
10.   kegtron
Which game will have a higher score, Milwaukee/Cincy or this one?

I'll set the lines at:

MIL/CIN +175

GER/POL -200

2006-06-14 11:53:58
11.   Bob Timmermann
The Polish national anthem's lyrics are stirring:

1. Poland is not yet lost
while we live
We will fight (with swords) for all/
That our enemies had taken from us.

March, march Dabrowski
. from Italy to Poland
Under your command
we will reunite with the nation.

2. We will cross the Vistula and Warta Rivers,/
we will be Poles,/ Bonaparte showed us/ how to win.

Refrain: March, march...

3. Like Czarniecki to Poznan, after Swedish annexation,
We will come back across the sea to save our motherland

Refrain: March, march...

4. Father, in tears, says to his Basia: "Just listen,
It seems that our people are beating the drums."

Refrain: March, march...

2006-06-14 11:54:38
12.   yankee23
Oh, good stuff. Too bad they're not in a group with Austria, there'd be no end to the Anschluss jokes.
2006-06-14 11:54:44
13.   Bob Timmermann
Bastian Schweinsteiger!

That's just a cool name to say.

2006-06-14 11:56:37
14.   Bob Timmermann
In 1982, Germany and Austria were in the same group. Germany had lost its opener to Algeria and needed a low-scoring game against Austria to advance.

The Austrians obliged and "Anschluss '82" was born. Algeria was quite ticked off.

To prevent such shenanigans, the final matches in each group are played simulatenously now.

2006-06-14 11:56:53
15.   Kayaker7
13 I love braunschweigers.
2006-06-14 11:57:11
16.   Greg Brock
Boy, nothing like 60,000 Germans singing that tune to send a chill up your spine. The words may change, but the "Song Remains the Same." Get it...Zeppelin, Germany, Song remains the...oh, nevermind...too many connections.
2006-06-14 12:00:26
17.   Greg Brock
This is going to be insane...GAME ON!
2006-06-14 12:00:48
18.   Bob Timmermann
I've been to Dortmund. It's not all that interesting to visit.
2006-06-14 12:01:10
19.   yankee23
14 Yeah, I heard about that. Germany still has a bit of a hold over Austria, even today.

16 Ever heard the song in its entirety? Chilling.

2006-06-14 12:01:54
20.   yankee23
And it's too bad Kahn isn't starting, a group called Die Prinzen had a hit song with "Olli Kahn".
2006-06-14 12:02:43
21.   Greg Brock
19-Yeah, I have. Pretty much terrifying. Ever seen "Triumph of the Will?" even worse.
2006-06-14 12:02:51
22.   yankee23
Yeah, Dortmund is basically just an industrial city, but Köln is a great place to visit. And it's close.
2006-06-14 12:04:37
23.   Bob Timmermann
My brother is staying in Köln (aka Cologne). I don't know if he's covering a match today or being forced to write down all of Bruce Arena's complaints about how bad the USA players are.
2006-06-14 12:07:16
24.   yankee23
Yeah, the US was awful, but not as bad as Ukraine today. I find their style really hard to watch, so my heart is there, but I have a lot more fun rooting for Germany.
2006-06-14 12:09:25
25.   Greg Brock
You can't fault Ukraine. Their talent pool is greatly diminished by catastrophic levels of thyroid cancer.
2006-06-14 12:09:39
26.   Bob Timmermann
I ordered a Croatia home jersey last night. It really looks like a tablecloth. Someone told me not to wear it to a picnic as people will want to put condiments on me.
2006-06-14 12:13:46
27.   yankee23
Nice. A friend of mine has one. The checkerboard isn't as visually, um, disturbing (?) in person.

I've been waiting for ESPN to do a commercial where a couple of anchors are looking at the WC lineup and commenting on how Ukraine is weak, then Shevchenko is in the elevator with them and screams "Ukraine is strong!" and slaps the paper out of their hands.

2006-06-14 12:14:59
28.   Bob Timmermann
Dortmund's city ambassador on the World Cup site:

Dortmund's sprawling expanses and traffic density bear comparison with Los Angeles.

Except Dortmund has 1/5 of the people of Los Angeles.

2006-06-14 12:16:24
29.   tmurase
28 That just means Jack Bauer can cross Dortmund in 10 minutes, as opposed to his SF Valley to Downtown trips that take 15.
2006-06-14 12:17:57
30.   adg
M. Klose with the abuse of the auto-pass.
2006-06-14 12:18:13
31.   yankee23
28 That's good stuff, my state is bigger than Germany too, but we only have like 1% of their population.
2006-06-14 12:20:20
32.   Greg Brock
Best Bib Award goes to?
2006-06-14 12:20:34
33.   Bob Timmermann
I never thought Dortmund was like L.A. at all when I was there. The transportation was muc better. And the people were not as self-involved.

The only thing the cities have in common is that pedestrians will always wait for the light to change before crossing the street.

Angelenos do this out of self-preservation and a desire not to get killed.

Dortmunders do it just because they're supposed to.

2006-06-14 12:21:27
34.   Bob Timmermann
They're in to stoppage time in Cincinnati, 0-0.
2006-06-14 12:21:36
35.   Greg Brock
I love the classic England unis, but the Croatia does get the "Most appropriate for the placement of flatware" honorable mention.
2006-06-14 12:23:13
36.   Kayaker7
Dad: Do you know why the Yankee's always win?

Son: Because they have Mickey Mantle.

Dad: No. Because the pinstripes distract the other team.

Son: Wouldn't a red checker pattern work even better?

2006-06-14 12:25:26
37.   yankee23
How bout that Germany uniform the kid is wearing in that adidas commercial? It's sort of a checkered diamond. I think it's from '94.

I can't believe Klinsmann still has Lehmann out there. After his no-charge decisions last match which resulted in two goals I figured he'd be gone by now.

2006-06-14 12:28:49
38.   Greg Brock
The man who injures Bollack would do well to sneak out of the country.
2006-06-14 12:29:33
39.   Kayaker7
I see that Dudek is not even on the bench. Is he retired?
2006-06-14 12:31:09
40.   yankee23
39 I don't believe so, I think he just got left off the squad. Here's something from wikipedia:

"On May 30, 2006, during the friendly match between the national teams of Poland and Colombia, the crowd in the stadium started to chant the name of Dudek, as a way to express the desire of having the goalkeeper in the 2006 World Cup Squad, mainly because of the mistake made by Tomasz Kuszczak, allowing the colombian keeper Luis Enrique "Neco" Martínez to score a goal from a long punt."

2006-06-14 12:31:16
41.   adg
The fat kid probably could stop shots better'n Dudek.
2006-06-14 12:32:17
42.   Bob Timmermann
Dudek didn't make the Polish team. It was not a popular decision.
2006-06-14 12:32:54
43.   Bob Timmermann

I linked a video of that a while back.

2006-06-14 12:32:59
44.   Kayaker7
40 I think that was the clip that Bob linked to in an entry few days ago.
2006-06-14 12:33:29
45.   Bob Timmermann
Here you go:
2006-06-14 12:34:10
46.   yankee23
4344 I forgot about that. Have you guys ever seen Beckham's mid-field goal? It's great.
2006-06-14 12:34:46
47.   Greg Brock
When Odalis Perez comes in to pitch, I want all the fans in the stadium to whistle.
2006-06-14 12:35:52
48.   adg
Or R. Carlos' bullet from the end line about 40 meters from the goal and at an angle of about 1 degree.
2006-06-14 12:36:05
49.   Bob Timmermann
You just can't get Americans to whistle in derision like Europeans.
2006-06-14 12:38:46
50.   adg
How about having everyone turn their backs to the field when Odalis comes on.
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2006-06-14 12:46:44
51.   Bob Timmermann
Halftime = lunchtime!
2006-06-14 12:50:46
52.   adg
50 Word.
2006-06-14 13:00:44
53.   Sam DC
Hey Bob -- I was reading the comments over at Ken's place. No more late night pizza for you!
2006-06-14 13:13:46
54.   Ken Arneson
I've been watching the second half--this is the most boring game I've seen so far
2006-06-14 13:16:43
55.   Bob Timmermann
You must have missed France vs. Switzerland.

At least this matchup has a backstory.

2006-06-14 13:18:49
56.   Greg Brock
The game may not be a classic, but the fan support is, thus far, the most enthusiastic.
2006-06-14 13:22:41
57.   adg
The crowd at this point reminds of the constant support Korea received in '02.
2006-06-14 13:24:37
58.   Greg Brock
Ballack can put the ball pretty much anywhere he wants from 40 yards out...Amazing.
2006-06-14 13:31:48
59.   yankee23
Raus mit Sobolewski!
2006-06-14 13:37:07
60.   Greg Brock
2006-06-14 13:38:15
61.   adg
It's starting to feel like T&T vs Sweden here again.
2006-06-14 13:42:25
62.   Greg Brock
I decide that countries are not allowed to have ampersands. T&T is Tribago, and Serbia Montenegro is Serbegro.
2006-06-14 13:43:40
63.   DougS
What, 60+ posts and no Fawlty Towers references yet? You all are doing too good a job of not mentioning the War.
2006-06-14 13:45:17
64.   Greg Brock
We used a lot of our material in the Saudi/Carthage match. Plus, the Polish defense is doing a better job than most of my jokes were prepared for.
2006-06-14 13:46:59
65.   Greg Brock
If only there was a linesman and goal posts in 1939.
2006-06-14 13:47:46
66.   yankee23
2006-06-14 13:48:50
67.   Kayaker7
What's up with the injury time goals today.
2006-06-14 13:49:05
68.   Greg Brock
Poland: Not fond of Germany
2006-06-14 13:50:23
69.   natepurcell
Germany finally broke through. good last 3 minutes.
2006-06-14 13:51:27
70.   Kayaker7
Amazing. The Poles were so close to getting a point.
2006-06-14 13:56:58
71.   natepurcell
their goalie made a bunch of nice stops but that last one he had no chance. After like 5 off sides, 6th time is the charm!
2006-06-14 13:58:15
72.   Bob Timmermann
I missed the end while on a futile search for a CUSIP number for a defunct mutual fund.

Yet, my coworkers think that is more interesting that the World Cup.

2006-06-14 13:58:23
73.   DougS
64 Would work best if Italy played Tunisia, though. Nobody could play the deep ball like Hannibal, but Scipio Africanus learned a thing or two from their first meeting, seems like.
2006-06-14 14:00:32
74.   Greg Brock
I already dropped my Italy/Tunisia Punic War joke...Comment of the Cup, according to Mr. Timmerman. I have nothing else to top it.
2006-06-14 14:06:03
75.   Bob Timmermann
So, is Poland mathematically eliminated?

No... But they will be if Ecuador gets a tie against Costa Rica.

But if Costa Rica wins (I'll assume 1-0), you would have:

Germany 6 +3 goals
Ecuador 3 +1
Costa Rica 3 -1
Poland 0 -3

That would require Poland to put a hurting on Costa Rica in its last match and then Germany would have to beat Ecuador, preferably by a lot.

2006-06-14 14:10:27
76.   Greg Brock
Poland wins 4-0, and Germany beats Ecuador 3-0, and...Oh heck, Poland's out.

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