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WC 2006 Match Chat: England vs. Trinidad & Tobago, 9 am PT
2006-06-15 08:30
by Bob Timmermann

Live from Nuremberg!

The English lead Group B after a 1-0 win over Paraguay. Trinidad & Tobago shocked Sweden with a scoreless draw with last minute fill in keeper, Shaka Hislop.

England would clinch a spot in the second round with a win. Are the Soca Warriors still just happy to be in Germany or do they smell blood in the water? The Trinidadians are playing for an intoxicating bonus. "Tobago" is properly pronounced with a long "a" in the penultimate vowel according to various reference sources I checked.

National Anthems:

England (really the UK's anthem), God Save the Queen

Trinidad & Tobago, Forged from the Love of Liberty

Comments (73)
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2006-06-15 08:38:39
1.   Ken Arneson
A scoreless draw in this match would make me feel a lot better.
2006-06-15 08:47:44
2.   Kayaker7
Is this the same "God Save the Queen" recorded by the Sex Pistols?
2006-06-15 08:49:11
3.   Greg Brock
Wow, that T&T anthem is great. Who knew Gilbert & Sullivan did anthems?
2006-06-15 08:52:14
4.   Greg Brock
When do we get rid of "rockets red glare and bombs bursting in air," and finally switch to "America the Beautiful." I await that day with great hope.
2006-06-15 09:00:50
5.   Sandus
Poland already blew their chances at Barrels of Vodka.
2006-06-15 09:04:32
6.   Bob Timmermann
The T&T anthem was written by Patrick Stanislaus Castagne.

Yeah, that guy.

2006-06-15 09:22:15
7.   Bob Timmermann
The Univision announcers love to call Crouch "Mr. Roboto!" With a very, very, extended trill of the initial r.
2006-06-15 09:29:40
8.   Sandus
Yorke is thankful he's wearing his cup.
2006-06-15 09:33:36
9.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not sure if this is the case with Nuremberg's stadium, but I don't think they have a scoreboard in this stadium.

They just have video screens and you have to read the time and score off of that.

My brother told me that the stadium in Cologne had no scoreboard.

2006-06-15 09:35:07
10.   Greg Brock
The time of possession numbers will not be kind to T&T.
2006-06-15 09:37:17
11.   Kayaker7
I love the FIFA running commentary. "Yorke is currently down...having blocked a vicious Gerrard Steven volley with the most sensitive part of his anatomy."
2006-06-15 09:37:20
12.   Greg Brock
Oh my, you could hear the Daily Mirror keyboards clicking away from the states. That was close.
2006-06-15 09:37:21
13.   ddger
I thought England would run away with this match but they are really having tough time breaking through. I didn't think TNT was this competitive.
2006-06-15 09:38:34
14.   Kayaker7
England has not impressed thus far in the tourney.
2006-06-15 09:41:02
15.   Bob Timmermann
So far no one has scored a goal in this group of their own volition.
2006-06-15 09:42:15
16.   Bob Timmermann
Lampard had a great chance there and missed the goal 10 yards too high!

The murmurs for Rooney begin...

2006-06-15 09:42:56
17.   Sandus
For a totally star-laden midfield, England's buildup has been awfully weak.
2006-06-15 09:43:22
18.   Greg Brock
Goodness gracious, settle the ball!
2006-06-15 09:43:49
19.   Bob Timmermann
A young Marco Van Basten would have put that away.

Maybe a few others.

2006-06-15 09:44:40
20.   Kayaker7
16 Sounds like Vieri's right footed (his bad foot) miss against Korea in 2002.
2006-06-15 09:44:54
21.   ddger
Wonder what's the record for most number of shots without scoring.
2006-06-15 09:45:34
22.   Sandus
My grandmother could've scored on that play. Hislop was off his line past the near post. All you need is to put the ball in.
2006-06-15 09:45:46
23.   Greg Brock
Rooney plays the second half, or Eriksson "disappears" at the hands of the Three Lions faithful.
2006-06-15 09:45:49
24.   Bob Timmermann
Univision announcers:

"'Mr. Eriksson, I AM READY!" dice Wayne Rooney"

Sounded funnier than it does in print.

2006-06-15 09:46:06
25.   ddger
WOW, that was close. Great play.
2006-06-15 09:46:15
26.   Sandus
Tremendous play from John Terry!
2006-06-15 09:47:37
27.   ddger
1st goal might determine the winner in this match.
2006-06-15 09:47:41
28.   Greg Brock
19- Pre-Happy Meal, 1998 Ronaldo nails that volley.
2006-06-15 09:50:53
29.   ddger
Has everyone seen Ronaldinho's Ping Pong Ad for Nike. That was amazing even if it might have been slightly edited.
2006-06-15 09:53:11
30.   Bob Timmermann
1st goal? You must mean, any goal will decide this match.

Ken's plan is all falling into place.

I hope at 1:45 that the Toaster doesn't go dead and all the pages get replaced with the words "Death to Paraguay!"

Except written in Swedish.

2006-06-15 09:54:56
31.   Sandus
Stop giving Ken ideas!
2006-06-15 09:57:10
32.   ddger
How about these suggestions for making soccer games higher scoring like they did for hockey?

Make goals larger.
Allow more substitutions.
No more offsides.

2006-06-15 09:58:21
33.   Greg Brock
32 Let them use their hands as well.
2006-06-15 10:02:08
34.   Bob Timmermann
If you allowed offsides in soccer, you would get lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of long balls played down the field and probably not all that much scoring. The defenses would all stay back and nobody would ever go to the midfield.
2006-06-15 10:02:13
35.   Sandus
How about leaving the game alone? I think the new rules have ruined hockey.
2006-06-15 10:03:00
36.   Greg Brock
19 The "A" in the AIG commercial would have buried that volley in the back of the net also.
2006-06-15 10:05:36
37.   Sandus
The A in the AIG commercial had to be running backwards when the cross came in or kick the ball with the back of his foot.
2006-06-15 10:06:22
38.   ddger
34 Good point. I guess getting rid of offsides is not a very good idea. But how about bigger goals.
2006-06-15 10:06:30
39.   Penarol1916
32. Honestly, I'm not sure that FIFA is all that concerned about increasing scoring for soccer like they did in hockey, the game isn't exactly fighting for its life like hockey is. Why does it need to be higher scoring?
2006-06-15 10:07:29
40.   Greg Brock
Mr. Eriksson, a few of the Three Lions fans would like a "word" with you under the stands.
2006-06-15 10:10:47
41.   sam2175
This group redefines the word futility.
2006-06-15 10:14:07
42.   Bob Timmermann

futility (n.) - Group B in the 2006 FIFA World Cup

I can send it on to the boys at the OED.

2006-06-15 10:16:34
43.   Greg Brock
Well, the atmosphere in the stadium is a bit less impressive than the Germany/Poland match, which is odd, considering the checkered history between these two teams. And then the Rooney chants begin.
2006-06-15 10:20:15
44.   Ken Arneson
39. Soccer definitely had a low-scoring period akin to 1968 in baseball in the late 70s-early 80s. There have since been a couple rule changes that helped boost scores:

1. Goalie can't touch ball with his hands if it is kicked back to him by a teammate. They used to be able to, and it was an easy way to just kill the clock. It was like watching the four-corners offense in basketball. Boring as heck.

2. 3 points for a win instead of 2. Gives greater incentive to play to win instead of to play not to lose.

I think those two innovations were pretty successful in opening up play without messing with the fundamental nature of the game itself.

2006-06-15 10:23:44
45.   ddger
Are goalies being better athletes now days make it harder to score or are teams more defensive oriented.
2006-06-15 10:24:12
46.   sam2175
England needs Gary Linekar back. Or, at least, Alan Shearer.

Ok, for now, Rooney has to try to do their best impersonations.

2006-06-15 10:28:14
47.   Penarol1916
44. Oh, I'm aware of the disgraceful late 80's early 90's period highlighted by Argentina's run to the 1990 final, I also believe that FIFA encouraged more liberal card giving for cynical fouls and the more obvious diving at that point.

My point though, is why would FIFA at this point be concerned about changing the rules to increase scoring, the fans right now aren't clamoring for rules changes and noone that I know who follows the game really thinks that this is an issue. I think the issues that face the game right now are control of fans, particularly at the club level.

2006-06-15 10:28:46
48.   Bob Timmermann
I think all the athletes are better. At every position. It's not like baseball where there is a distinct difference between pitching and hitting skills.
2006-06-15 10:29:09
49.   sam2175
45 Actually, it was pretty fun for a while to watch a few funky goalkeepers (but I guess those were before the rule changes). Jorge Campos and Rene Higuita would sometimes go way up above the center line to help with offensive duties.

Of course, one such misadventure by Higuita led to a goal by 39 year old Roger Milla of Cameroon, and such goalkeepers have not been seen again.

2006-06-15 10:37:04
50.   Greg Brock
47 Well said. The other major issue is the continued theatrics on the field. Booking players for diving was a great step, but they also need to expand the "stretcher" rule. If the trainers have to come on the field, the player should have to stay off for at least 3-5 minutes. Just my opinion.
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2006-06-15 10:42:21
51.   ddger
2006-06-15 10:42:22
52.   Bob Timmermann
Well, that's no fun...
2006-06-15 10:43:31
53.   Bob Timmermann
First goal scored by the team that wanted to score it in this group.
2006-06-15 10:44:12
54.   Greg Brock
Donde esta Robot Dance?
2006-06-15 10:44:39
55.   ddger
Great cross by Beckham and Crouch's height finally paid off.
2006-06-15 10:45:21
56.   ddger
Who is the tallest striker playing in World Cup?
2006-06-15 10:45:49
57.   Ken Arneson
2006-06-15 10:46:25
58.   Penarol1916
45. Scoring is down in world cups primarily because there is not as large a difference in skill levels between teams as there once was. The 1954 World Cup is the highest scoring primarily because of Hungary, noone knew how to defend the Hungarians and they could score almost at will. Scoring levels outside of 1990 and 1970 have stayed pretty consistent since 1962 in the World Cup staying between 2.52 and 2.81 goals per game, so I'm not exactly sure why you are asking why it is harder to score nowadays.
2006-06-15 10:46:35
59.   Bob Timmermann
I think Koller of the Czech Republic is the tallest. He's 2.02 meters.

Or around 6'9".

Crouch is 6'5" or 6'6" I think.

2006-06-15 10:46:42
60.   Greg Brock
56 It's gotta be Koller at 6'7"
2006-06-15 10:48:32
61.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, my math was off. 202 cm is 79.5 inches, so Koller is 6'7 1/2"
2006-06-15 10:50:00
62.   Ken Arneson
Even ratsier.
2006-06-15 10:50:31
63.   Greg Brock
Dios Mio. This should keep the fans at bay until...well, the next game.
2006-06-15 10:50:32
64.   Bob Timmermann
T & T will now be rooting for the scoreless tie later today.
2006-06-15 10:51:08
65.   Ken Arneson
Well, might as well root for England to kill T&T's goal differential! Score again!
2006-06-15 10:51:33
66.   Greg Brock
For the record, I don't blame Trinidad...I blame Tobago.
2006-06-15 10:56:44
67.   Bob Timmermann
I doubt that any of the players on the team are from Tobago though.

But the Boolean logic teams are 0-2-1 now.

Since this is the USA, I write it W-L-T!

2006-06-15 10:58:42
68.   ddger
58 Appreciate all the info. I was just thinking of ways to increase soccer fan base in US and IMHO, more scoring is just one way that might attract more fans to soccer here in US.
2006-06-15 11:05:32
69.   Ken Arneson
England is through to the next round.
2006-06-15 11:07:09
70.   Greg Brock
68 I think the vast majority of US footie fans have made peace with trying to convert our fellow citizens. In fact, I rather enjoy the red-headed stepchild status.
2006-06-15 11:09:27
71.   Bob Timmermann
Ken is stealing my interesting bits of info for the intro the next match!
2006-06-15 11:10:23
72.   ddger
Also, USA's performance so far in World Cup has not helped in attracting more fans to soccer.
2006-06-20 08:05:47
73.   mike1145
I would love to see FIFA add a rule to take players off the field when they go down and writhe around for 30 seconds and then get up and run like nothing happened.

If they are hurt bad enough to put on that kind of show then they should be off he field recovering. Bring on a stretcher and make them sit out for the next play, and make it mandatory!

Maybe then they will start to act like real atheletes and "shake it off" instead of a bunch of "sissy-boys!"

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