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WC 2006 Match Chat: Argentina vs. Mexico, noon PT
2006-06-24 11:19
by Bob Timmermann

Live from Leipzig!

The high-flying Argentines (mostly because they beat Serbia et al. 6-0) and the somewhat lackluster Mexicans (1-1-1 with a tie against Angola and a loss to Portugal).

The teams last met at the Confederations Cup in August 2005 and Argentina won on penalties after a 1-1 tie. They've met in the World Cup once before, on July 19, 1930 in the first World Cup in Montevideo, Uruguay. Argentina won 6-3. It's unknown if the Mexicans are still looking for revenge after that one. There were 5,000 people at that match.

There will likely be a few bit more at Zentralstadion, which seats 43,000. Mexico has a lot of fan support in Germany, but that may not be enough to overcome the deficit in talent.

The winner of this one faces Germany in Berlin on June 30.

How the teams that didn't move on will be ranked:
17. Korea
18. Paraguay
19. Ivory Coast
20. Czech Republic
21. Poland
22. Croatia
23. Angola
24. Tunisia
25. (tie) USA
25. (tie) Iran
27. Trinidad & Tobago
28. (tie) Japan
28. (tie) Saudi Arabia
30. Togo!
31. Costa Rica
32. Serbia et al.

Comments (62)
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2006-06-24 11:56:15
1.   dzzrtRatt
Tied with Iran! Forever shackled to our most implacable foe! This is like one of those movies where two people who hate each other escape from prison chained together, and learn, after two hours of backbiting, that tolerance and mutual understanding will save the day.
2006-06-24 11:59:49
2.   Greg Brock
1 Is Sidney Poitier Iran or the United States?
2006-06-24 12:01:42
3.   Bob Timmermann
And, of course, Mexico's lone win was over Iran in the Lou Dobbs Classic.
2006-06-24 12:02:25
4.   Greg Brock
Dios Mio, Mexico is coming out on fire.
2006-06-24 12:02:59
5.   Bob Timmermann
The big brother says 3:1 Argentina in this one.

He nailed the Sweden-England match.

He's not exactly going out on a limb in his blog.

2006-06-24 12:05:37
6.   Bob Timmermann
Mexico loves that font for its numbers. They've used it since the 1968 Olympics.

And there is great rejoicing in Southern California.

And other places.

2006-06-24 12:05:48
7.   Greg Brock
Man oh man. Mexico came out with more energy than anybody this entire cup.
2006-06-24 12:09:19
8.   Greg Brock
This is akin to a boxing match, where one fighter just comes out on a tear, and you know he can't keep it up for twelve rounds.
2006-06-24 12:09:31
9.   Greg Brock
And then that happens
2006-06-24 12:09:35
10.   Bob Timmermann
The Mexican joy is short-lived.
2006-06-24 12:17:42
11.   Bob Timmermann
Does Jared Borgetti endorse Subway in Mexico?
2006-06-24 12:28:32
12.   Greg Brock
I have a weird feeling that Oswaldo Sanchez is going to make some kind of mistake. Probably not, but it's there.
2006-06-24 12:30:43
13.   ABreck
I thought the Agentines were known for defense. They're allowing way too many good looks.
2006-06-24 12:32:09
14.   Linkmeister
"I have a weird feeling that Oswaldo Sanchez is going to make some kind of mistake."

You sure you're not mistaking him for Odalis Perez?

2006-06-24 12:33:52
15.   Greg Brock
Harkes drops a Bull Durham bomb. Priceless.
2006-06-24 12:37:19
16.   ABreck
Am I wrong in thinking Mexico didn't play like this in qualifying?
2006-06-24 12:38:37
17.   Greg Brock
Tell 'em what they've won, Don Pardo...It's a trip to the bench!
2006-06-24 12:47:31
18.   Greg Brock
Rare show of restraint by a ref.
2006-06-24 12:53:35
19.   Bob Timmermann
16
Mexico and the USA split their qualifying matches.
2006-06-24 13:15:11
20.   Greg Brock
I'm surprised how deliberate Argentina has been with the ball this half.
2006-06-24 13:20:33
21.   ABreck
19
But we were seen as "better". Basically nobody wins in Mexico City. And these guys look like they'd run rings around us.
2006-06-24 13:28:02
22.   Greg Brock
Where's Messi?
2006-06-24 13:32:09
23.   Bob Timmermann
Argentina seems to be playing as if they're afraid to lose, which is not a good thing at this stage.

They don't need to hope they can beat Mexico on penalties. They've got three or four guys on the bench who can help.

2006-06-24 13:38:19
24.   Greg Brock
I'm a little dumbfounded here. Unless Messi is being saved for overtime, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
2006-06-24 13:40:42
25.   ABreck
I didn't have the impression either keeper was one you wanted to bank on in the end.
2006-06-24 13:42:52
26.   ABreck
There's Messi
2006-06-24 13:42:52
27.   Bob Timmermann
Happy now?
2006-06-24 13:44:22
28.   Greg Brock
:-)
2006-06-24 13:44:34
29.   Ravenscar
If Argentina boots this one, my bracket is in BIG trouble.
2006-06-24 13:45:08
30.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't think you could nutmeg an Argentine player.
2006-06-24 13:46:56
31.   Ravenscar
What are the rules for a tie at this stage?
2006-06-24 13:47:36
32.   Bob Timmermann
30 minutes OT, then penalties.
2006-06-24 13:47:43
33.   Greg Brock
I think the whole of Buenos Aires has to be in shock right now. I know the whole of Greg Brock is.
2006-06-24 13:48:17
34.   ABreck
29
I believe 9 brackets are busted...
2006-06-24 13:50:12
35.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, 9 people have Argentina winning or finishing second out of the 15 entries.

Nobody picked Mexico to win this match.

2006-06-24 13:51:17
36.   Ravenscar
Argentina can recover in this 30 minute overtime. I'm not worried.

Really.

I'm not.

Aaaaagh!

ahem

ok

2006-06-24 13:51:40
37.   Bob Timmermann
Fuera de lugar!

Although the Univision guys disagree. Chilavert is the colorman.

2006-06-24 13:51:44
38.   Greg Brock
bad call
2006-06-24 13:53:55
39.   Ravenscar
El Duque's getting shellacked in Toronto, so I've swtched over to watch this overtime, which is sure to be more exciting.
2006-06-24 13:53:56
40.   ABreck
Some might think the Argentines used up their luck on the own goal (push by Crespo) and the yellow before the half (v Red)

A little evening.

They look flat

2006-06-24 13:56:14
41.   Bob Timmermann
39
The Saudi Arabian government has halted exports of shellac.
2006-06-24 14:05:21
42.   Greg Brock
No way. One of the greats.
2006-06-24 14:06:13
43.   natepurcell
holy cow that was a bender.
2006-06-24 14:06:13
44.   ABreck
WOW
2006-06-24 14:06:47
45.   natepurcell
I kinda wanted Mexico to win even though I have no ties to Mexico whatsoever.
2006-06-24 14:07:05
46.   ABreck
OK, as I'm Univisioning it and don't know Spanish. How long do they go?
2006-06-24 14:07:29
47.   Bob Timmermann
30 minutes, but they switch ends after 15.
2006-06-24 14:07:54
48.   Greg Brock
Two fifteen minute periods.
2006-06-24 14:10:57
49.   ABreck
I feel like I'm watching one of the kids games of keep-away after it's 5-0
2006-06-24 14:12:43
50.   Bob Timmermann
The last team to catch up in OT of a World Cup and force penalties was Sweden back in the 1994 quarterfinals. Sweden would win on penalties.

In the 1982 semis, Germany trailed France 3-1 in OT and tied it and forced penalties, but France had to play a man down after the German keeper literally knocked out a French player and they were out of subs.

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2006-06-24 14:16:06
51.   Greg Brock
The Argentina/Germany handicap may have to be altered a bit after today's turn of events.
2006-06-24 14:19:06
52.   ABreck
Well I think Mexico has played way beyond their usual performance (not sure if the formation was new and confused Argentina).

And Germany still looks to have a shaky defense.

2006-06-24 14:22:39
53.   ABreck
Sorin makes it interesting
2006-06-24 14:22:58
54.   ABreck
But no
2006-06-24 14:30:51
55.   Greg Brock
Nice effort, Mexico.
2006-06-24 14:31:24
56.   Ravenscar
woohoo!

I'm brilliant!

lol

2006-06-24 14:32:02
57.   ABreck
So CONCACAAF (or whatever) is now out...
2006-06-24 14:32:35
58.   Bob Timmermann
Those who were tied for first before are still tied for first.
2006-06-24 14:32:57
59.   Bob Timmermann
Very close, CONCACAF
2006-06-24 14:36:06
60.   Bob Timmermann
If you have a sombero, take it off and hang your head in shame.
2006-06-24 14:38:20
61.   Greg Brock
60 Wow
2006-06-25 02:04:01
62.   coachjpark
Hooray for Korea!!! The best of the rest!!

Interestingly enough, there were 61 comments on this thread, which is another important Korean number...

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