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WC 2006 Match Chat: Portugal vs. Netherlands, noon PT
2006-06-25 11:00
by Bob Timmermann

Live from Nuremberg!

It's the battle of two little European countries (by size) that used to have vast colonial empires. But who remembers Vasco da Gama or Prince Henry the Navigator? Who remembers William of Orange? The Dutch and Portuguese duked it out for a while on the high seas as part of the Eighty Years War. The Eighty Years War ended around the same time as the Thirty Years War. Presumably today's match will just go 90 minutes. Maybe 120. The Thirty Years War was ended with the taking of penalties by ambassadors in Osnabruck to decide the winner. The Catholics were easily beaten to their left.

These two teams last met in the semifinals of the 2004 Euro Championships and the Portuguese prevailed at home, 2-1. After the tournament was over, the Dutch replaced coach Dick Advocaat with Marco Van Basten, and Van Basten changed the roster drastically. The Dutch responded by going unbeaten in qualifying and they were 2-0-1 in the first round.

The Portuguese lost the final of the 2004 Euro championships to Greece, but rebounded to qualify for the World Cup and coasted through their group with three wins, although they had a very easy draw, facing Mexico, Iran, and Angola.

Both teams have had success in the World Cup in the past, but not recently. Portugal reached the semis in 1966, but hadn't gotten out of the first round since. The Dutch reached the finals in 1974 and 1978. The Dutch lost in the semis in 1998 to Brazil on penalties and then didn't qualify in 2002.

There will be quite a contrast in names in this match. The Portuguese like to use single names for their players, such as Pauleta, Maniche, and Petit. As for the Dutch, there's a reason nearly everyone in the country is fluent in English, it's because the language is hard to pronounce. Witness Ruud Van Nistelrooij and Andre Ooijer.

And yet, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink has not come off the bench.

10 people have chosen the Dutch, 6 have the Portuguese. 11 of the 16 entries got the first three matches correct.

The winner of this match faces England in a quaterfinal match in Hamburg on Friday.

Comments (74)
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2006-06-25 11:15:22
1.   Greg Brock
Go Holland!
2006-06-25 11:16:21
2.   Linkmeister
Vennegoor of Heffalump?
2006-06-25 11:18:50
3.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think I'll call my brother in Germany today:
2006-06-25 11:32:04
4.   Bob Timmermann
Later tonight, I'm heading out to the Hollywood Bowl to go hear Sergio Mendes. This is likely the night for me to wear my olive-colored pants and yellow shirt.
2006-06-25 11:37:34
5.   Greg Brock
4 Lucky dog
2006-06-25 11:41:52
6.   Bob Timmermann
Did I mention that I have a box for the concert too?
2006-06-25 11:45:25
7.   Greg Brock
6 Luckier dog. Is luckier a word? Anyhoo, it makes the point. You are a fortunate mammal.
2006-06-25 11:49:45
8.   Humma Kavula
4 That means more than nothing to me.
2006-06-25 11:53:37
9.   Bob Timmermann
You mean you're unfamiliar with Sergio Mendes or you're not clear on the green-yellow clothing combo?
2006-06-25 11:59:07
10.   Humma Kavula
It was an attempt at a joke. I was attempting to translate Mr. Mendes's most famous song into English. Perhaps I failed.
2006-06-25 12:00:27
11.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, sorry! My Portuguese is weak.

I'm sure the Brazilians there will all think I'm one of them.

2006-06-25 12:01:29
12.   Greg Brock
Good start for the vaunted Hollish attack.
2006-06-25 12:01:59
13.   Humma Kavula
I do love that song.

The later-period Brasil '66, in which they take on the Beatles catalogue... not so much.

2006-06-25 12:22:35
14.   Greg Brock
2006-06-25 12:26:17
15.   Greg Brock
Every time the Dutch start a run, they pull back.
2006-06-25 12:41:02
16.   Bob Timmermann
Sort of the opposite of Micahel Corleone in Godfather III?
2006-06-25 12:42:22
17.   Greg Brock
Every time I think I'm in, they pull me back out?
2006-06-25 12:44:01
18.   Linkmeister
Man, it took me about three minutes to get the joke. Mas Qué Nada.

Is the group just called Sergio Mendes now? Or has it been updated to Brazil 06?

2006-06-25 12:44:48
19.   Greg Brock
2006-06-25 12:46:25
20.   Greg Brock
See ya Costinha. You, sir, are a moron.
2006-06-25 12:52:54
21.   Bob Timmermann
Sergio Mendes doesn't use numbers now. He's too hip.
2006-06-25 12:57:32
22.   Greg Brock
Marge: Ooooh, look Homey, they spell their numbers out with letters.

Homer: Get used to it Marge...Pretty soon, we'll be spelling everything with letters.

2006-06-25 13:00:25
23.   Bob Timmermann
"Mas que nada" is one of the rare Portuguese phrases that is exactly like its Spanish counterpart in spelling.

O... ariá rai, O?
Obá, Obá, Obá,
O... (o, o, o, o,) ariá rai, O?
Obá, Obá, Obá...

Chorus 1:
Mas que nada
Sai da minha frente eu quero passar
Pois o samba está animado
O que eu quero é sambar

Este samba que é misto de maracatu
é samba de preto velho
Samba de preto tu

Chorus 2:
Mas que nada
Um samba como esse do legal
Você no vai querer
Que eu chegue no final ...

2006-06-25 13:08:17
24.   Bob Timmermann
I've never been able to get my comment posted in the always informative FIFA Fanchat room for each match.

And they let in such good comments, like

Ecaudor will go all the way!

2006-06-25 13:09:22
25.   ABreck
So what does the ref have against the Dutch?
2006-06-25 13:09:31
26.   Greg Brock
Curses...Stupid crossbar.
2006-06-25 13:10:01
27.   ABreck
He's let more than one obvious one go by.
2006-06-25 13:17:02
28.   ABreck
The Dutch are cursed
2006-06-25 13:17:45
29.   Bob Timmermann
The Portuguese want to make up for their loss in the Eighty Years War.
2006-06-25 13:18:33
30.   Bob Timmermann
Gotta love names like Giovanni Von Bronckhorst.
2006-06-25 13:18:40
31.   D4P
2006-06-25 13:20:23
32.   ABreck
Mike Tyson admirer
2006-06-25 13:22:03
33.   Bob Timmermann
And the Portuguese have killed off the power play!
2006-06-25 13:22:58
34.   Greg Brock
Hey Dutch, I've got an idea...If you're so angry at the Portuguese acting, why don't you score a (expletive deleted) goal.
2006-06-25 13:23:19
35.   ABreck
This is bordering ridiculous.
Acting by the Portuguese gets a card on the Dutch. Maimiing in the box by the Portuguese gets a turnover...
2006-06-25 13:25:27
36.   ABreck
This is the best FIFA can offer?
2006-06-25 13:31:58
37.   D4P
This game is getting out of hand.
2006-06-25 13:32:51
38.   ABreck
Safe to say the ref has lost control.
2006-06-25 13:33:29
39.   ABreck
Uneven cards. Nobody from Portugal shown off. He better not work again.
2006-06-25 13:33:36
40.   Greg Brock
Ref = Zero poise

Total Anarchy

2006-06-25 13:37:03
41.   ABreck
I agree.

I've heard of make-ups but this is nuts

2006-06-25 13:37:53
42.   ABreck
England will have an easier time next game because whichever team goes on will not be able to play D
2006-06-25 13:37:58
43.   Bob Timmermann
Power play opportunity for the Dutch!
2006-06-25 13:38:43
44.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I just got back from the gym, where the terrible ref drove me to screaming at the TV while I did 45 mins. of elliptical.
This is the worst-called game of the tournament I've see, by far.
2006-06-25 13:39:18
45.   Bob Timmermann
At least this ref can count his yellow cards correctly.
2006-06-25 13:39:23
46.   Greg Brock
There is going to be a punch thrown.

Hey Bob, I guess the Eighty Years War isn't such a distant memory after all, eh?

2006-06-25 13:40:07
47.   Bob Timmermann
The Dutch didn't fight the Portuguese all eighty years. It was more of an undercard.
2006-06-25 13:41:52
48.   Sam DC
My bracket is on life support.
2006-06-25 13:42:43
49.   Bob Timmermann
Not really Sam. You picked the Dutch to lose in the quarterfinals. You would miss out on one point tops.
2006-06-25 13:43:09
50.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
48 - I'm 3-for-3, but have the Dutch in my Final Four, which helps explain why I'm so incensed over this terrible ref.
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2006-06-25 13:43:40
51.   Greg Brock
There has to be 10 minutes of extra time. Not that the ref will give that much...But he should.
2006-06-25 13:43:51
52.   Bob Timmermann
My man is in the game!
2006-06-25 13:44:04
53.   D4P
You want that t-shirt!!!
2006-06-25 13:44:48
54.   Bob Timmermann
He's not in my contest. At least I don't have an entry for him. Or used a different name.

I think he's playing for higher stakes.

2006-06-25 13:45:13
55.   D4P
Watching a fútbol game is like watching 22 Vlade Divacs on the field at one time.
2006-06-25 13:45:15
56.   ABreck
The problem was the ref didn't want to be the story and really became it. He refused to give the Dutch the PKs after some hard fouls because he didn't want that to be the equalizer. But by then calling phantom fouls outside the box, everybody goes - I'll show you a foul. I'm guessing they may not swap jerseys...
2006-06-25 13:45:49
57.   Bob Timmermann
Except there are just 19 Vlade Divacs out there now.
2006-06-25 13:47:48
58.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
No,, I'm not in The Griddle's contest, but a winner-take-all office pool ($5 entry, about 15+ entries).
2006-06-25 13:48:30
59.   Greg Brock
2006-06-25 13:49:33
60.   Greg Brock
Overtime is very fitting...Let's see it happen.
2006-06-25 13:49:44
61.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Six minutes.
2006-06-25 13:49:46
62.   Sam DC
49 Well, missing two out of the first four games gives me a negative outlook, but I see your point. I need Argentina to take care of business in Match 57.
2006-06-25 13:54:31
63.   D4P
I don't understand a lot of these cards.
2006-06-25 13:55:17
64.   ABreck
I remember the announcers saying the ref wouldn't call the hand ball on Ecuador in the 88th minute beacuse he didn't want that to be a decider. And now this one hands out a red wiht 2 minutes to go.
2006-06-25 13:56:16
65.   ABreck
It's fai to say the Dutch may be auditing the ref's bank accounts over the next couple years.
2006-06-25 13:56:25
66.   D4P
One of the announcers (on Univision) just said "Welcome to the Jungle" (in English).
2006-06-25 13:56:28
67.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
2006-06-25 13:56:47
68.   Greg Brock
2006-06-25 13:57:19
69.   Greg Brock
Whatever that was, it wasn't a fooball match.
2006-06-25 13:58:48
70.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
69 - It was a travesty, on grass, played out over 96 minutes.
2006-06-25 14:01:24
71.   Bob Timmermann
After matches the leaders in The Griddle Contest are:
Los Longhorns
humma kuvala
John Matthew

Two people had the Dutch winning it all and another entry had the Dutch second.

2006-06-25 14:05:42
72.   xaphor
Going in I joked that the best thing for England was for these teams to kill each other and they graciously yielded to my whims. :P
2006-06-25 14:06:25
73.   Greg Brock
Even though England hasn't played well yet this tourney, I don't think Portugal can beat them with six players (or whatever they have left) and Cristiano Ronaldo hurt.
2006-06-25 14:09:30
74.   xaphor
You also cannot discount that all the players with a Yellow card hanging over their heads, such a Figo, will be cautious not to acquire another in the match against us.

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