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2006-10-20 06:15
by Bob Timmermann

I'm guessing that there will be a fair share of stories in the media about the 1934 World Series and even more about the 1968 World Series. Names you can expect to hear mentioned a lot in the next few days: Dizzy Dean, Joe Medwick, Schoolboy Rowe, Hank Greenberg, Leo Durocher, Mayo Smith, Mickey Stanley, Bob Gibson, Ray Oyler, Curt Flood, Lou Brock, Jose Feliciano, Pepper Martin, Don Wert, and Mickey Lolich. And a cast of many more.

The 2006 World Series is going to be burdened a bit by the history of the 1934 and 1968 World Series, two of the most interesting World Series ever played.

But some assorted facts:

Hall of Famers who played in the 1934 World Series:
For the Cardinals: Dizzy Dean, Leo Durocher (inducted as a manager), Frankie Frisch, Jesse Haines, Joe Medwick, Dazzy Vance
For the Tigers: Mickey Cochrane, Charlie Gehringer, Goose Goslin, Hank Greenberg.

Hall of Famers who played in the 1968 World Series:
For the Cardinals: Lou Brock, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson, and manager Red Schoendienst.
For the Tigers: Al Kaline, Eddie Mathews

Although 1934 was a much bigger offensive than 1968 (pretty much every year has had more offense than 1968), the 1968 series featured 15 home runs to just 4 in 1934. In 1968 two pitchers hit home runs: Gibson and Lolich. Lolich never hit one during the regular season in his career. The 1934 home runs were a pair from each team: Gehringer and Greenberg for Detroit; Medwick and 22-year old catcher Bill DeLancey.

We will be certain to see newsreel footage of Detroit fans throwing garbage at Medwick toward the end of Game 7, which resulted in Medwick being removed from the game for his own protection in favor of Chick Fullis. The garbage being thrown out at Medwick is almost always described in history books as "overrripe fruit." This leads to the question: did people routinely go to markets and buy fruit that was overripe and then bring it to baseball games on the offchance that they wanted to throw it at somebody? Was none of the fruit ripe? Wouldn't ripe fruit hurt more anyway?

TV viewers can try to guess how often Tim McCarver brings up Bob Gibson on the air. Once every three innings? Once every two innings? Make it a contest.

Scott Spiezio will join father Ed in playing in World Series games against the Tigers. Ed had pinch hit single in the ninth inning of Game 5 in Detroit batting of Dal (0 for 22) Maxvill. They are, I believe from a quick check, the first father-son combination to play in World Series for the Cardinals. Chris Duncan will have a chance to try to better his father Dave's mark in the World Series. Dave Duncan appeared in three games for the 1972 A's during their seven-game win over the Reds.

The Cardinals will be looking for World Series championship #10, which would make them the first National League team to reach double digits. But the Cardinals have lost their last three trips to the World Series (1985, 1987, 2004). The Tigers are looking for title #5 and have not lost in the World Series since 1940. Of course, the Tigers have played in just three World Series since 1940. Of the Tigers four World Series wins, two have come against the Cubs and one against the Padres. The Tigers hold the unique distinction of having a losing record overall against the Cubs in World Series play.

The Tigers were the first American League team to ever win three straight pennants, back from 1907-09, but they lost in the World Series each time, twice to the Cubs and once to the Pirates.

Since the Cardinals were in the World Series just two years ago, they have several players on their roster with previous World Series experience (Looper, Suppan, Weaver, Molina, Eckstein, Pujols, Spiezio, Rolen, Edmonds, Encarnacion, Taguchi), the Tigers have just two (Kenny Rogers and Ivan Rodriguez).

Elden Auker, who started and lost Game 7 of the 1934 World Series for the Tigers, was the last surviving player from that series. He passed away at age 94 on August 4 at age 95. One of his catchers, Ray Hayworth, died in 2002 at the age of 98. Billy Rogell, the Tigers starting shortstop in 1934, passed away in 2003 at age 99.

Among participants in the 1968 World Series, six Tigers have passed on (Norm Cash, Eddie Mathews, Don McMahon, Ray Oyler, Joe Sparma, and Earl Wilson). Six Cardinals have passed away: Nelson Briles, Ron Davis, Joe Hoerner, Curt Flood, Roger Maris, and Ron Willis.

2006-10-20 07:54:33
1.   Xeifrank
Great post. Have fun at the ND game.
Another one to throw out there is that either Leyland or LaRussa is gauranteed to join Sparky Anderson as the only manager to manage both an AL and NL World Series winner.
vr, Xei
2006-10-20 08:53:33
2.   dianagramr
Anyone wanna guess the odds of Alan Trammell getting to throw out the first pitch at one of the Series games?

I'd say 80-1 at least.

2006-10-20 09:07:08
3.   Bob Timmermann
The Tigers could have the oldest surviving member of their last championship team throw out the first pitch.

Darrell Evans is 59.

The oldest surviving member of the 1982 Cardinals is Jim Kaat who is 67.

The 1982 Cardinals had just one batting title qualifier who batted over .300: Lonnie Smith. Trammell was the only .300 hitter for the 1984 Tigers.

2006-10-20 09:23:47
4.   bhsportsguy
Another Hall of Famer involved in the 1934 World Series was umpire Bill Klem. Working along with him was Beans Reardon (love that name) who reportedly after receiving an award named after Klem in the 1960's remarked that he hated Klem.
2006-10-20 09:42:47
5.   Vishal
you know, i can think of nobody on the entire toaster site who is excited about this world series, official writer or commenter. sure, it's partly because there are no cardinals or tigers blogs here, but i think to large degree it's also because these teams are pretty lame and not-exciting. i bet a padres-twins would've generated a lot more buzz in comparison.
2006-10-20 09:43:14
6.   Vishal
padres-twins world series
2006-10-20 10:11:49
7.   bhsportsguy
All-Time Tiger vs. Cardinal World Series
Tiger - Cardinal
C - Mickey Cochrane vs. Ted Simmons
1B - Hank Greenberg vs. Mark McGwire
2B - Charley Gehringer vs. Rogers Hornsby
3B - George Kell vs. Ken Boyer
SS - Alan Trammel vs. Ozzie Smith
OF - Ty Cobb vs. Stan Musial
OF - Sam Crawford vs. Lou Brock
OF - Al Kaline vs. Joe Medwick
DH - Harry Heilmann vs. Johnny Mize
SP - Jim Bunning vs. Bob Gibson
SP - Jack Morris vs. Dizzy Dean
RP - Todd Jones vs. Bruce Sutter

The Tigers have the edge in the everyday lineup but the Cardinals with Gibson and Dean could win a series by themselves.

2006-10-20 10:30:01
8.   bhsportsguy
With the Cardinals facing the Tigers, the 2000-2009 decade will feature 4 teams winning a World Series for the first time in over 20 years since the Series began over a 100 years ago.

Teams that have gone the longest since winning a World Series.

1. Chicago Cubs - 1908
2. Cleveland Indians - 1948
3. San Francisco Giants - 1954
4. Houston Astros - 1961 (Since existence)
5. Texas Rangers - 1961 (Since existence)
6. Washington Nationals - 1969 (Since existence)
7. San Diego Padres - 1969 (Since existence)
8. Milwaukee Brewers - 1969 (Since existence)
9. Seattle Mariners - 1977 (Since existence)

The Colorado Rockies (1993)and Tampa Bay Devil Rays (1998) have also never won a World Series but their waits have only been for a short time.

And even if the Angels and White Sox had not won, this stat would still be true because that would have meant that the Giants and Astros would have won for the first time in over 40 plus years.

See what happens when the Yankees don't win.

2006-10-20 10:31:47
9.   Linkmeister
5 I think this Series will be more fun for the baseball historians or history lovers than for the casual fans. Who on either team is liable to make the HOF? Ivan Rodriguez, maybe?

On a different topic, I've just confirmed via visual evidence that the letter E is indeed the most frequently used letter in the English alphabet. My evidence is that of all the keys on this keyboard, that one has its painted-on identifier most worn off.

2006-10-20 10:37:33
10.   Bob Timmermann
Ivan Rodriguez can pretty much book a trip to Cooperstown five years after he retires. Unless he gets injured, so can Albert Pujols.

If the HOF eases up on electing managers, La Russa should get a plaque.

The Tigers young pitchers have potential to be great, but it's a long way to go for Messrs. Verlander and Bonderman and they are far more likely to end up as the next Dan Petry.

2006-10-20 10:41:43
11.   Humma Kavula
9 10 I agree. Pudge is in, even if he retires today and sleeps with every BBWAA writer's wife while kicking their dogs.
2006-10-20 10:48:30
12.   bhsportsguy
7 BTW, I just could not justify putting McCarver in place of Simmons as the all-time St Louis catcher even though Simmons played during the non-playoff years for the Cardinals.
2006-10-20 10:50:20
13.   Bob Timmermann
Not even Walker Cooper as the Cardinals catcher?
2006-10-20 10:52:43
14.   Bob Timmermann
The first money line I saw has the Tigers as -200 favorites. The Cardinals are going off at +240.

That is for the series.

2006-10-20 13:19:51
15.   Linkmeister
10 Well, yeah. I woulda picked Pujols but he's only six years into a career, and a lot of bad things could happen to him in the next ten years. I sincerely hope not, but.
2006-10-20 13:48:11
16.   bhsportsguy
13 15 After review and serious debate, I think that Pujols and Walker Cooper should go into the Cardinal's lineup.


2006-10-20 17:39:51
17.   GoGetEm
Mclain and Newhouser as Tiger starting pitchers, or what about Lolich? He could handle the Cards.
1968 Series - 3 Complete Game victories, the second and third on 3 days and 2 days rest respectively.
2006-10-20 18:53:42
18.   Vishal
[9] you make baseball fans seem like a fairly binary lot, which doesn't seem fair...
2006-10-27 21:52:32
19.   stlhall
Between the defense and offense, Edmonds will get into the Hall of Fame
2006-10-27 22:01:26
20.   stlhall
Don't forget Jack and Joe Buck (maybe in the future)

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