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College football open chat thread
2006-11-11 12:51
by Bob Timmermann

So as to keep Dodger Thoughts free of "Dump Karl Dorrell" talk in the midst of a JD Drew crisis, I have this thread for people wishing to discuss today's doings on the gridiron.

Comments (273)
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2006-11-11 12:55:28
1.   Greg Brock
Always thinking of others, Bob.

Dump Karl Dorrell.

2006-11-11 12:59:10
2.   Bob Timmermann
But there won't be one for the NFL because I won't be watching.

Arizona has already learned that it's a bad idea to punt the ball to Desean Jackson.

2006-11-11 13:00:15
3.   Greg Brock
The NFL is slightly more exciting than watching grass grow.
2006-11-11 13:04:00
4.   Greg Brock
I have a friend who's brother (ten years old at the time) named his fish "Jack Arute"

That's uncanny humor from a ten year old.

2006-11-11 13:08:26
5.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona is joining the growing trend of Pac-10 teams that wear ugly uniforms at home. Those red tops are awful.

Some Pac-10 teams still have good ones, namely USC and UCLA. Stanford has uniforms that aren't nearly as good as the team.

2006-11-11 13:17:04
6.   Greg Brock
You have to factor in that Oregon is intentionally wearing atrocious uniforms in order to anger everybody and appease Phil Knight at the same time.

I firmly believe that.

2006-11-11 13:27:40
7.   Bob Timmermann
Has Cedric Steptoe been granted nine years of eligibility? He seems to have been playing for Arizona forever.
2006-11-11 13:28:56
8.   Greg Brock
7 I was just thinking "Wow, it seems like Steptoe has been at Arizona for a while"

Of course, It seemed like Carson Palmer was at USC for a decade. Same with Steve Stenstrom at Stanford.

2006-11-11 13:31:55
9.   Bob Timmermann
Skip Hicks was at UCLA forever.

And that was the case since he played in parts of six seasons.

2006-11-11 13:33:57
10.   Greg Brock
Mike Stoops yells a lot. I know that the family isn't a big fan of refs, but geez, let's dial it down a notch.
2006-11-11 13:34:36
11.   Greg Brock
Nobody yells more than Lloyd Carr. I can't even watch that guy.
2006-11-11 13:36:00
12.   Bob Timmermann
In honor of Karl Dorrell, I will watch the UCLA game on TV with a large laminated piece of paper stuffed into my pants.
2006-11-11 13:37:07
13.   Greg Brock
Nice. Be sure to march around the house with a confused, stoic look on your face as well for added effect.
2006-11-11 13:38:44
14.   Bob Timmermann
Upon closer inspection, Arizona's jerseys are even uglier. That blue stripe on the back is hideous.
2006-11-11 13:38:55
15.   Greg Brock
According to the LA Times, it just means that Karl is The Thinker©
2006-11-11 13:44:44
16.   Bob Timmermann
With 3:43 left in the first half, Stanford and Washington have combined for 71 yards of offense.

Stanford has 3.

2006-11-11 13:49:23
17.   Greg Brock
DeSean Jackson...Very much good footballer, as is Lynch.

I wish we got guys like that...Instead, we get Junior Taylor and Chris Markey.

2006-11-11 13:49:34
18.   Bob Timmermann
I am awaiting Tommy Tuberville's announcement that Auburn STILL deserves a spot in the BCS championship game despite losing at home by 22 points to an unranked team.
2006-11-11 13:50:12
19.   Greg Brock
18 Auburn has supplanted LSU as the compainiest team in the SEC, dare I say America.
2006-11-11 13:53:22
20.   Greg Brock
I hope Ben Olson gets to play today. I keep being told how Cowan is growing week by week, and yet he plays worse and worse.

That's tumorous growth, not improvement growth.

2006-11-11 13:54:56
21.   Bob Timmermann
How Arizona beat Washington State in Pullman may be one of the bigger mysteries of the year.
2006-11-11 13:55:55
22.   Greg Brock
The Pacific 10 Conference is not very good this year, which leads to a lot of weird games.
2006-11-11 13:59:59
23.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford gets a tying field goal at halftime. It's 3-3 in Seattle.
2006-11-11 14:00:27
24.   Greg Brock
I would say 8 distinguished institutions, and the Arizona schools.
2006-11-11 14:06:33
25.   Greg Brock
Bob, did you see the article that Easterbrook (I know, gasp) wrote on not punting? It's really from a professor at Cal, but it's very interesting. There's a link to the paper within the article.

2006-11-11 14:08:05
26.   Greg Brock
Weis tends to not punt. Dorrell punts (no kidding).
2006-11-11 14:11:56
27.   Andrew Shimmin
Helen Caldicott is on CSPAN2, right now, author of Nuclear Power is Not the Answer. Her lecture was lightly attended.
2006-11-11 14:13:23
28.   Andrew Shimmin
Her closing line was: don't have your teeth x-rayed every year, it's unnecessary.
2006-11-11 14:16:07
29.   Greg Brock
27 Helen Caldicott is not a big fan of the following:

Nuclear Weapons
Nuclear Power
The United States

But she has a very pleasant voice.

2006-11-11 14:19:51
30.   Andrew Shimmin
Now asking a question: a guy who has Bob's brother's hair cut!
2006-11-11 14:20:20
31.   Greg Brock
Yes, and he's discussing feces.
2006-11-11 14:20:22
32.   twerp
SEC circular firing squad doing its thing==

Georgia 37, #5 Auburn Auburn

Auburn QB Brandon Cox not throwing as well as usual, completes 3 of 8 first half passes to Georgia DB Tra Battle. Georgia, 30-7 at the half, pretty total domination all game.

So much for one of the "one-loss teams still with a shot at the national title," as referred to by some pundits..

What qualifies someone to be a pundit, anyhow?

2006-11-11 14:25:38
33.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd like to call for all holders of a Blue Shield medical plan to cancel it, immediately. Switch to something else. The genital-obsessed disembodied head commercials have to be stopped, and the only way to do it is to bankrupt the company.

This has been your consumer alert with Andrew Shimmin. Thank you for your time.

2006-11-11 14:26:34
34.   Jon Weisman
5 - "Stanford has uniforms that aren't nearly as good as the team."

Boy, that's saying something. What's wrong with Stanford's uniforms?

2006-11-11 14:27:45
35.   Greg Brock
Helen Caldicott: "I don't like The Pentagon."

We know, Helen...We know.

2006-11-11 14:31:29
36.   Bob Timmermann
I phrased that wrong. I meant that Stanford has nice uniforms, but a bad team.
2006-11-11 14:31:31
37.   Linkmeister
24 Hey! I attended UofA! Be kind!

My first year there we went to the Sun Bowl (Arizona/ASU were still in the WAC in 1968). They were reasonably good while Dick Tomey coached them, but they've fallen off a cliff since then.

You can slam ASU as much as you like.

2006-11-11 14:33:11
38.   Greg Brock
37 Yeah, I was just kidding. Arizona is a fine school.

I just really like the old PCC, with its eight teams. I'm not a big fan of the Arizona schools being in the Pac-10. I'd rather have San Diego St. and Cal Poly in the conference.

2006-11-11 14:33:45
39.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, this just isn't a very good UofA team. They should have been better building on their strong finish last year, but they haven't. The Wildcats show the organization and offensive skills of UCLA.
2006-11-11 14:35:44
40.   Linkmeister
39 You don't have to tell me. Their win against WSU was a shock.

Now, lemme tell you about UH this year...

2006-11-11 14:36:39
41.   Bob Timmermann
If UCLA can upset Oregon State and then get a win against either ASU or USC, the Bruins are headed to Honolulu to take on the 'Bows!

Where they will be slaughtered.

2006-11-11 14:37:16
42.   Greg Brock
41 Slaughtered indeed.
2006-11-11 14:40:25
43.   Bob Timmermann
DeSean Jackson has four punt returns for TDs this year, which puts him one short of the NCAA record in a season, held by Chad Owens of UH back in 2004.
2006-11-11 14:40:40
44.   Linkmeister
41 The Bows/Warriors play OSU in a couple of weeks, so they're unlikely to be invited back to the Hawaii Bowl. The Advertiser polled its readers and UCLA was the preferred choice of opponent for that game on Christmas Eve, assuming it wins enough to qualify as the 6th best team in the Pac-10.

I shouldn't gripe; the previous conference the bowl had a partnership with was Conference-USA, which gave us Houston and Tulane, teams nobody here gave a lick about.

2006-11-11 14:40:43
45.   Jon Weisman
Stanford has its second lead of the season!

It came on an interception return. Still, only one offensive touchdown in something like the past six games.

2006-11-11 14:41:00
46.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinal take a 10-3 lead on an interception return for a TD in the third quarter.
2006-11-11 14:42:23
47.   Bob Timmermann
Jon is debating whether or not to pay for the internet radio access to the play-by-play for Stanford.

Can Ted Robinson make the Cardinal sound good this year?

2006-11-11 14:44:43
48.   Jon Weisman
Stanford offensive yardage: 92
Stanford defensive yardage: 49
2006-11-11 14:45:09
49.   Jon Weisman
I only checked the score on a lark. Now, let's see what's up in basketball.
2006-11-11 14:45:43
50.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford's starting QB T.C. Ostrander was actually born at the Stanford Medical Center.

His most prized possession is a Frank Thomas baseball card.

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2006-11-11 14:46:41
51.   Jon Weisman
19-point lead over Siena. Whew. Still very bitter about losing to Siena in '89.

Alex Lopez's little brother has 14 points in his first game.

2006-11-11 14:51:41
52.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford running back Emeka Nnoli in the media guide says that the one thing he would change about college foootball is that the players should be paid.
2006-11-11 14:55:36
53.   Bob Timmermann
Jon is walking around his house with four fingers up in the air now.
2006-11-11 14:57:57
54.   Bob Timmermann
At the end of three quarters:

Stanford 81 yards offense
Washington 64 yards offense

2006-11-11 15:00:40
55.   Jon Weisman
Gametracker makes Gameday look a lot better.
2006-11-11 15:01:32
56.   Bob Timmermann
74 yard TD pass from Ostrander to Sherman makes it 16-3 pending the PAT.
2006-11-11 15:01:55
57.   Bob Timmermann
And it's 17-3 Stanford with 13:30 to go.
2006-11-11 15:02:43
58.   Jon Weisman
Offensive touchdown!

We just about doubled our game yardage on one play.

2006-11-11 15:03:36
59.   Greg Brock
Wow, let's win this one for the Philosopher King and the Professor!
2006-11-11 15:03:59
60.   Bob Timmermann
Washington's QBs are 5-23 for 46 yards and two INTs.
2006-11-11 15:05:07
61.   Bob Timmermann
Did somebody give Jack Arute a DSM-IV?
2006-11-11 15:05:32
62.   Jon Weisman
Stanford football has not won in Seattle since 1975.
2006-11-11 15:07:30
63.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford has beaten Washington just 4 times since 1975.
2006-11-11 15:11:11
64.   Greg Brock
Wow, the Golden Bears just got hosed on that call.
2006-11-11 15:13:26
65.   Bob Timmermann
Does anyone recognize the music in the Cadillac commercials?
2006-11-11 15:18:42
66.   Linkmeister
Woot! Nice pick, young man!
2006-11-11 15:21:17
67.   Greg Brock
Song: Teddybears - Punkrocker (Feat. Iggy Pop)
Album: Soft Machine
2006-11-11 15:23:34
68.   Vishal
2006-11-11 15:24:44
69.   Bob Timmermann
2006-11-11 15:28:05
70.   Bob Timmermann
And it looks like the Cardinal are going to beat Washington for the second straight time.
2006-11-11 15:30:51
71.   Greg Brock
It's time for exciting Bruins football.

Let's get out there and show improvement!

2006-11-11 15:33:26
72.   Bob Timmermann
They've been playing for a while actually out in the Rose Bowl.
2006-11-11 15:33:56
73.   Greg Brock
72 I was a little late on the comment.
2006-11-11 15:34:25
74.   Bob Timmermann
Washington's QBs are now 8 of 37.
2006-11-11 15:39:33
75.   Greg Brock
74 Why no Rose Bowl for you today, Bob?
2006-11-11 15:41:22
76.   Bob Timmermann
I gave my ticket to my friend for this game because he wanted to take his son to a game. I thought I would have to be working today anyway.
2006-11-11 15:44:20
77.   Greg Brock
Bob, I was thinking about something you said the other day about "Not believing that the Bruins would play in a BCS game in your lifetime..." or something to that effect.

You were just talking about the title game, right? Because if we don't go to another Rose Bowl game again, I'll just cry.

2006-11-11 15:45:58
78.   Bob Timmermann
I wouldn't be surprised if UCLA went to the Rose Bowl (January 1 variety) in the next five years.

BCS title game.


2006-11-11 15:46:46
79.   Bob Timmermann
And then there were two.

Duke and Florida International.

They are the only winless Division 1-A football teams left.

Stanford 20
Washington 3

2006-11-11 15:46:55
80.   Greg Brock
If the Bruins went to a Rose Bowl game with Karl Dorrell as the head coach, I would be shocked. SHOCKED!
2006-11-11 15:52:02
81.   Bob Timmermann
If Arizona hangs on, this doesn't change the Pac-10 race all that much. Cal still needed to win next week. And I doubt Cal would ever have made it into the top 2 in the BCS with an 11-1 record.
2006-11-11 15:53:29
82.   Bob Timmermann
Then again maybe Arizona won't hang on.
2006-11-11 15:53:48
83.   Greg Brock
Wow, touchdown Bears...But it's coming back!

Good lord.

2006-11-11 15:54:35
84.   Vishal
we need a miracle.
2006-11-11 15:54:45
85.   Vishal
2006-11-11 15:55:05
86.   Bob Timmermann
Well, Jackson did step out of bounds.
2006-11-11 15:55:31
87.   Vishal
coming back?!!!??! wtf!!
2006-11-11 15:56:05
88.   Vishal
2006-11-11 15:56:46
89.   Bob Timmermann
Jackson stepped out around the -41.
2006-11-11 15:57:00
90.   Greg Brock
He stepped out at the AZ 40.

Sorry, Vishal. Hold out hope.

2006-11-11 15:57:40
91.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, that should have been +41. But why am I subjecting you to my shorthand?
2006-11-11 15:57:59
92.   Vishal
this is killing me.
2006-11-11 15:58:33
93.   Bob Timmermann
And UCLA is improving!
2006-11-11 15:58:37
94.   Greg Brock
30 yards to glory, Vishal.
2006-11-11 16:00:24
95.   Bob Timmermann
And it's time to flip the picture-in-picture over now.
2006-11-11 16:00:33
96.   Andrew Shimmin
Then fall Caesar.
2006-11-11 16:02:18
97.   Vishal
2006-11-11 16:03:16
98.   Bob Timmermann
Cal still can go to the Rose Bowl with a win at USC next week and then a win over Stanford in the Big Game.

One of those events is easier than the other.

2006-11-11 16:03:20
99.   Greg Brock
Beat SC, you go to the Rose Bowl. Don't sweat it.
2006-11-11 16:03:47
100.   Bob Timmermann
But even UCLA beat Arizona....
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2006-11-11 16:04:25
101.   Linkmeister
2006-11-11 16:05:15
102.   Greg Brock
Yup, and got throttled 52-14 last year.
2006-11-11 16:05:54
103.   Bob Timmermann

UCLA kicks field goal


2006-11-11 16:06:07
104.   Linkmeister
Hmm. Mom went to Cal. Maybe I'd better not tell her about this.
2006-11-11 16:06:15
105.   Greg Brock
Justin Medlock for Heisman.
2006-11-11 16:08:41
106.   Bob Timmermann
Medlock has 20 field goals, but the NCAA season record is 38. That's going to take some doing in the final 2 3/4 games.
2006-11-11 16:14:41
107.   caseybarker
How dd UCLA ever let Matt Moore get away! (hahaha)

SC must feel so small after that loss.

2006-11-11 16:16:37
108.   Greg Brock
Of all the things I could complain about, losing Matt Moore is nowhere on the list, that's for sure.
2006-11-11 16:17:59
109.   caseybarker
He is definitely a Jekyll and Hyde kind of player.
2006-11-11 16:18:48
110.   caseybarker
2006-11-11 16:18:54
111.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA is no longer improving...
2006-11-11 16:18:54
112.   Greg Brock
Improvement really does feel a lot like pain.
2006-11-11 16:19:55
113.   Jon Weisman
Who's the hottest Pac-10 football team in the Bay Area?
2006-11-11 16:20:26
114.   caseybarker
It's funny, they're talking about Cerna's streak of 90 PAT's. But everyone will remember him for the LSU debacle.
2006-11-11 16:21:40
115.   Greg Brock
Does De La Salle count as the Bay Area?

Kidding. Congrats on the win, Jon. Good for Stanford.

2006-11-11 16:21:48
116.   caseybarker
Disimproving... deproving?
2006-11-11 16:21:48
117.   Bob Timmermann
At Storrs, UConn after scoring a TD to make it 45-44 in favor of Pittsburgh in the 2nd OT, opted to go for 2 and try to end the game and made it.

Huskies 46
Panthers 45

2006-11-11 16:23:02
118.   Bob Timmermann
BC better watch out tonight against Duke. The winless teams are out for blood!
2006-11-11 16:23:24
119.   Jon Weisman
Actually, we're the hottest Pac-10 team in the whole state.
2006-11-11 16:24:37
120.   Bob Timmermann
USC has a 1-game winning streak and beat Stanford in its last game, so I would have to go with the Trojans as the hotter team.
2006-11-11 16:24:38
121.   caseybarker
OSU has won their last four; they are in Pasadena:)
2006-11-11 16:25:54
122.   caseybarker
...doing his best Matt Moore impression.
2006-11-11 16:26:25
123.   Greg Brock
Karl Dorrell was just thinking that would happen. He's The Thinker, you know...
2006-11-11 16:27:12
124.   Greg Brock
UCLA vs. Matt Moore...There has to be a winner?
2006-11-11 16:27:19
125.   Bob Timmermann
The crowd at the Rose Bowl sounds like...

A Devil Rays-Royals game.

2006-11-11 16:28:22
126.   Greg Brock
I hope Dan Guererro is paying attention to the crowds. People are not excited about football anymore.
2006-11-11 16:30:06
127.   Bob Timmermann
The test will be how much of the crowd on 12/2 is wearing cardinal, instead of blue.
2006-11-11 16:31:15
128.   Greg Brock
Uh, it's going to be bad.

Real bad.

2006-11-11 16:31:42
129.   Bob Timmermann

UCLA calls timeout because play wasn't in on time.


2006-11-11 16:32:56
130.   Greg Brock
I think the world of Dan Guerrero, but he must really have a blind spot when it comes to Dorrell.
2006-11-11 16:33:05
131.   Bob Timmermann
From the long shot of the Rose Bowl, the crowd looks to be respectable.
2006-11-11 16:36:11
132.   Greg Brock
Pat Cowan has a lot of fire and determination...

Which would be nice, if he didn't stink.

2006-11-11 16:37:09
133.   Bob Timmermann
Time for an 8-yard pass!
2006-11-11 16:37:40
134.   Greg Brock
Done and Done.

Woohoo, it's Medlock time!

{puts paper bag over head}

2006-11-11 16:37:56
135.   Bob Timmermann
7-yard pass.
2006-11-11 16:39:10
136.   Greg Brock
I never thought I'd miss Bob Toledo this much.
2006-11-11 16:41:50
137.   Greg Brock
No interview with Karl heading into the locker room. Which means the words of wisdom will come at the start of the third quarter.
2006-11-11 16:44:39
138.   Bob Timmermann
So what's the right color of laminated play sheet to wear to a wedding?
2006-11-11 16:45:05
139.   Andrew Shimmin
So, if you set your car to parallel park itself, and then it hits something, do the points go on your record, or on the Lexus engineering staff's?
2006-11-11 16:45:47
140.   Greg Brock
I have the same problem picking out which floral pattern to put on my paper bag.

Your head has to look pretty, after all.

2006-11-11 16:52:04
141.   Greg Brock
Oh Dan, watch out for flying vegetables.
2006-11-11 16:55:15
142.   Greg Brock
Hmmm...Not one question or statement about the football program.
2006-11-11 17:05:06
143.   Bob Timmermann
Ooh, I missed one minute of action while on my food run.
2006-11-11 17:07:29
144.   Greg Brock
Oh my lord, a forward pass!
2006-11-11 17:07:49
145.   Bob Timmermann
Don't go for 2 Karl!
2006-11-11 17:08:30
146.   Bob Timmermann
I agree with Easterbook's rule of not going for 2 before the 4th.
2006-11-11 17:09:21
147.   Greg Brock
Yup, no two point conversions before the fourth quarter is fine. I would even say under ten minutes left.
2006-11-11 17:10:45
148.   Bob Timmermann
The only time I could see going for 2 early in the 4th quarter is if you start off down 24 points.
2006-11-11 17:12:19
149.   Greg Brock
This is not what I would call an impressive broadcasting team.
2006-11-11 17:14:37
150.   Bob Timmermann
They don't even get a first down line on the screen for the UCLA game.
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2006-11-11 17:22:45
151.   Greg Brock
Karl would have kicked the field goal.
2006-11-11 17:25:20
152.   Bob Timmermann
Going for two, just don't do it:

At San Jose State...

Boise State trails SJSU 7-6 and scores a TD early in the third to go up 12-7. The Broncos go for 2 and don't get it.

The Spartans drive down the field and score a TD to lead 13-12 and go for 2. They don't get it either.

2006-11-11 17:28:37
153.   Greg Brock
Time to start running some clock...
2006-11-11 17:29:33
154.   Bob Timmermann
This is one of the more quickly played college football games I've seen.

That may be good for my friend with his 6ish year old son with him.

2006-11-11 17:32:06
155.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA has run four plays from scrimmage in the third quarter.

And they're ahead!

2006-11-11 17:32:52
156.   Greg Brock
Good things happen when you throw the ball downfield.

Or so I've heard from fans of other teams.

2006-11-11 17:33:21
157.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA will now get to have its fifth play from scrimmage in the third quarter!
2006-11-11 17:33:39
158.   Greg Brock
Not a fumble.
2006-11-11 17:34:39
159.   Bob Timmermann
OK, back to four plays from scrimmage then.
2006-11-11 17:35:08
160.   Greg Brock
Wow, okay. Fifth play!
2006-11-11 17:35:16
161.   Bob Timmermann
Boise State's BCS chances are getting dim. They trail 20-12 to San Jose State in the fourth quarter.
2006-11-11 17:35:54
162.   Greg Brock
Now they have to go for two!
2006-11-11 17:36:41
163.   Bob Timmermann
ABC's Saturday Night game in the LA market is Texas at Kansas State.

I'm guessing that not a lot of people are tuning into that one tonight.

It's 7-7 in Manhattan.

2006-11-11 17:43:44
164.   Greg Brock
Some exciting Pacific Ten action here.
2006-11-11 17:44:42
165.   Bob Timmermann
Note to FSN Prime Ticket:

The view from the end zone is not a good one. There's a reason why those seats cost less.

2006-11-11 17:45:06
166.   Greg Brock
Maybe we should start running the option.
2006-11-11 17:45:57
167.   Bob Timmermann
Veer or wishbone?
2006-11-11 17:46:15
168.   Greg Brock
2006-11-11 17:46:35
169.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, a Dick Vermeil man.
2006-11-11 17:47:24
170.   Greg Brock
I would give anything to get Dick Vermeil back.

Not going to happen.

2006-11-11 17:49:03
171.   Bob Timmermann
If Mom were still alive, she'd want Homer Smith back as the offensive coordinator.

Of course, I don't know if Homer Smith is still alive.

2006-11-11 17:49:43
172.   Greg Brock
My dad and I just talked about Homer Smith last week.

Dad wants Homer Smith back.

2006-11-11 17:50:51
173.   Greg Brock
He wrote a book called "The Complete Handbook of Clock Management"

You can guess who has not read that book.

2006-11-11 17:51:26
174.   Bob Timmermann
Homer Smith on going for two:

The characters don't display correctly on my computer.

2006-11-11 17:55:13
175.   Greg Brock
Nor do they display correctly on mine.
2006-11-11 17:55:24
176.   Bob Timmermann
Homer Smith has a list of common misconceptions about football:

Misconception #8

by Homer Smith April 8, 2002

Time of possession is a factor.

How can it be? The clock stops when a pass falls incomplete. It keeps moving when a run is stopped for no gain. Both results are zero yardage, yet, the pass kept the ball for five seconds while the run kept it for 40.

If a team that passed only but never completed a pass played a team that ran only but never made a firstdown, the result would be a tie and both defenses would have been on the field for the same number of real minutes. Yet, if both teams ran the same number of plays, one would have a possession time of eight times that of the other.

Time of possession is meaningless. It has nothing to do with keeping your defense or their offense off the field. It has nothing to do with anything meaningful. It is for writers and readers who feel precise when a 36:07 is compared to a 23:53.

2006-11-11 17:59:20
177.   Bob Timmermann
Boise State got a TD and 2-pointer to tie it up at Spartan Stadium. 20-20 with 5:22 to go.
2006-11-11 18:00:11
178.   Bob Timmermann
Homer Smith may be a football genius, but his webmaster uses bad HTML.
2006-11-11 18:02:31
179.   Greg Brock
I think we're going to win this football game.

Be still my heart.

2006-11-11 18:08:18
180.   Bob Timmermann
I had a feeling that the first road game for Oregon State after beating USC would be tough for them.

I think the Beavers may have been lulled to sleep by the sluggish Rose Bowl crowd.

2006-11-11 18:11:43
181.   Greg Brock
Behold the power of Matt Moore.
2006-11-11 18:13:10
182.   Bob Timmermann
Boise State keeps its BCS dreams alive with a field goal with no time left to pull out a 23-20 win at San Jose State.

They play 1-8 Utah State and then at 6-3 Nevada on 11/25 to finish up.

2006-11-11 18:14:01
183.   Greg Brock
Matt Moore makes Ryan Fien look like Cade McNown.
2006-11-11 18:14:45
184.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Medlock trying to retire the Pac-10 Special Teams Player of the Week award.
2006-11-11 18:16:59
185.   Bob Timmermann
In the first three Pac-10 games today, the road team has been the favorite and they are all going to go down.

I don't know who was favored in the Wazzu-ASU game. I'm certain that USC is favored at home over Oregon.

2006-11-11 18:19:39
186.   Greg Brock
These broadcasters are delusional.
2006-11-11 18:24:09
187.   Bob Timmermann
If UCLA wins at Tempe next week, we all meet at Linkmeister's house for Christmas!
2006-11-11 18:24:28
188.   Greg Brock
Sounds good to me!
2006-11-11 18:27:58
189.   Greg Brock
There are many ways to describe this game.

Phenomenal would not be one of those ways.

2006-11-11 18:28:30
190.   Bob Timmermann



2006-11-11 18:29:42
191.   Greg Brock
If these are the same workers that have been working on the Big Dig, then yes, workmanlike would apply.

Mooreesque works.

2006-11-11 18:34:40
192.   Greg Brock
Hey, we got within 30 posts of The Griddle record.


2006-11-11 18:35:08
193.   Bob Timmermann
There's still the USC-Oregon game!
2006-11-11 18:35:55
194.   Greg Brock
We're 1-0 now!

I'll take self delusion for 500, Alex.

2006-11-11 18:37:56
195.   Greg Brock
The Prime Ticket team is very excited by this victory.
2006-11-11 18:42:52
196.   Bob Timmermann
Andre Ware of ABC has declared that he is tired of "the claim of SEC supremacy." He doesn't believe any of the coaches there claiming that they have to be in the BCS title game because they are in the SEC.
2006-11-11 18:45:07
197.   Greg Brock
Nothing like interviewing the opposing team's kicker after a loss.

Exciting stuff here.

2006-11-11 18:45:17
198.   Bob Timmermann
This was the first game that UCLA scored 25 points since the opening game of the 1994 season. The Bruins beat Tennessee 25-23. That game featured both Todd Helton and Peyton Manning.
2006-11-11 18:46:49
199.   Greg Brock
I think that was the Colquitt game. Kid had waited for four years behind Schuler, had gotten a redshirt, then destroyed his knee in the first quarter.

Nice career.

2006-11-11 18:55:13
200.   Greg Brock
Apparently, one of the keys to victory in this game is the turnover margin.

Who knew?

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2006-11-11 19:31:08
201.   Greg Brock
Let's Go Ducks!

Quack Quack!

2006-11-11 19:32:30
202.   Bob Timmermann
ASU is clobbering Wazzu at halftime 30-7.

K State is up 35-21 on Texas.

USC's march to Glendale continues.

2006-11-11 19:34:46
203.   Greg Brock
It's up to Florida, Notre Dame, and Ohio State/Michigan.
2006-11-11 19:35:24
204.   Uncle Miltie
I was going to take it easy tonight and watch the USC/Oregon game, but now I just found out that they aren't showing the game up here in the bay area (it's being broadcast on FSN +, a channel that comcast made available only to their digital subscribers this year). I really wanted to see this game!
2006-11-11 19:36:21
205.   Greg Brock
Dropped passes kill drives. COME ON!
2006-11-11 19:38:39
206.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Timmermann NEVER roots for Notre Dame to win.

Against anybody.


It is part of my core beliefs. It's in my DNA. It's probably in the RNA too.

2006-11-11 19:40:02
207.   Greg Brock
How very un-Catholic of you.

Apparently, Bob Timmermann does not read all the appropriate Papal Bulls.

2006-11-11 19:41:36
208.   Greg Brock
I can't believe you root for Southern Cal over Notre Dame.


2006-11-11 19:42:28
209.   Bob Timmermann
I don't root for Notre Dame primarily because I was brought up Catholic.

I'll root for Boston College instead if you think I should root for a Catholic big time college football team.

There are more choices in basketball.

2006-11-11 19:43:35
210.   Bob Timmermann

I root very, very, very, very hard for USC to beat Notre Dame every year.

USC's 55-24 win over Notre Dame back in 1974(?) was one of the happpiest days of my childhood.

2006-11-11 19:44:37
211.   Greg Brock
That's interesting.
2006-11-11 19:45:52
212.   Bob Timmermann
I sneak into video rental stores and leave magnets by VHS copies of "Knute Rockne, All-American."
2006-11-11 19:47:34
213.   Greg Brock
Wow, such hatred for Our Lady of the Lake.

I'm supposed to hate Notre Dame, but I don't. I guess it's because I think college football is more interesting when Notre Dame is good.

2006-11-11 19:48:51
214.   Bob Timmermann
The only thing I hate more than Notre Dame are people who say college football is more interesting when Notre Dame is good.
2006-11-11 19:49:33
215.   Greg Brock
Gee, thanks.
2006-11-11 19:50:19
216.   Greg Brock
I guess we tapped into the dark side of Bob Timmermann.
2006-11-11 19:50:56
217.   Bob Timmermann
I think Stuart Mandel of or some guy on Yahoo Sports said the exact same thing.

I think it's akin to people thinking that this year's World Series wasn't worthy of consideration because the Yankees and/or Mets weren't in it.

That's JoeyP style thinking.

2006-11-11 19:53:46
218.   Greg Brock
I don't concede that point, at all. I like having the Yankees to kick around, as I enjoy having people become apoplectic at Notre Dame. It's fun.

I enjoy when the LSU's and the Washington's of the world make a run at a title, but Notre Dame being bad is not something I enjoy.

2006-11-11 19:54:32
219.   Uncle Miltie
So is anyone here actually rooting for USC?
2006-11-11 19:55:19
220.   Daniel Zappala
Wow, Stanford won a football game today. I'm completely shocked.

Oh, and Jon (and Bob), you can always listen to Stanford games for free directly on the KZSU web site. It's the only college I know of that is smart enough to do this with their college radio station.

2006-11-11 19:55:23
221.   Marty
USC's 55-24 win over Notre Dame back in 1974(?) was one of the happpiest days of my childhood.

One of mine too, though I was 18.

I think SC is going to lose tonight.

2006-11-11 19:55:49
222.   Marty
219 I think I'm the only Trojan fan here.
2006-11-11 19:56:34
223.   Greg Brock
And Marty breaks The Griddle comment record.


2006-11-11 19:57:18
224.   Marty
Really? What do I win?
2006-11-11 19:57:46
225.   Daniel Zappala
I'm a USC alum, but it was grad school, so I'm just rooting for a good game tonight.
2006-11-11 19:57:55
226.   Uncle Miltie
224- nothing since you're a USC fan
2006-11-11 19:58:08
227.   Daniel Zappala
Nothing, cause I just broke it again. :-)
2006-11-11 19:58:22
228.   Greg Brock
224 Bob will be sending you a Joe Theisman autographed Notre Dame helmet.

Or not.

2006-11-11 19:59:17
229.   Bob Timmermann
Theismann, not Theisman.
2006-11-11 20:00:54
230.   Marty
My hatred of Notre Dame goes back to John Huarte.
2006-11-11 20:02:23
231.   Bob Timmermann
My family's dislike of Notre Dame goes back to the time when George Gipp beat my grandfather in a crap game in Chicago.
2006-11-11 20:03:27
232.   Bob Timmermann
Texas now trails K State, 42-35 with 12 minutes to go in Manhattan.
2006-11-11 20:03:43
233.   Greg Brock
I had no idea your hatred for Notre Dame ran this deep.

It's quite impressive, actually.

2006-11-11 20:04:42
234.   Daniel Zappala
Meanwhile, the Utah Jazz keep on winning.
2006-11-11 20:07:48
235.   Marty
The first football game I ever listened to was USC-Notre Dame in 1964. Notre Dame was undefeated and ranked number 1. They had a 17-0 lead at half and SC game back to win 20-17. I was hooked.
2006-11-11 20:08:16
236.   Marty
*came back
2006-11-11 20:09:07
237.   Bob Timmermann

OK, before it goes any further, I made up the George Gipp story.

But I was taught when I was a wee lad that John McKay was a good Catholic and Ara Parseghian just worked for a Catholic school and I should root for USC in that situation.

So Mom sayeth. So I have maintained that stance ever since.

The greatest college football coaches according to my mom were John McKay and Homer Smith.

2006-11-11 20:11:54
238.   Greg Brock
My hatred for Southern Cal probably goes back to the time that Howard Jones shot my grandfather in Reno, just to watch him die*

*May not have actually happened.

2006-11-11 20:13:40
239.   Marty
I imagine it's hard not to hate USC if you are a UCLA fan. I mean, after all...:-)
2006-11-11 20:16:35
240.   Bob Timmermann
You forget that one of the biggest frustrations for UCLA fans is that USC fans don't care much at all about basketball, so you can't gloat about that. Most USC fans just ignore the Wooden Era.

And USC alums have about as much sense of the school's basketball history as UCLA fans do about the school's football history.

2006-11-11 20:17:30
241.   Marty
That was nice
2006-11-11 20:18:51
242.   Marty
I remember the year USC was #2 and didn't go to the NCAA tournament. Only two losses were to UCLA.
2006-11-11 20:20:53
243.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure Paul Westphal remembers.
2006-11-11 20:21:35
244.   Bob Timmermann
K State up 45-35 over Texas with 3:19 left in Manhattan.
2006-11-11 20:22:44
245.   Uncle Miltie
I still remember when USC fans were comparing Sam Clancy to Elton Brand and said that Desmon Farmer was going to be a first round draft pick.
2006-11-11 20:23:52
246.   Marty
Who was the point guard? Something like Mo Layton?
2006-11-11 20:24:16
247.   Greg Brock
UCLA has been a competitive second tier football program.

USC basketball almost does not exist.

2006-11-11 20:35:57
248.   Bob Timmermann
In 1970-71, USC went 24-2 in basketball. Dennis Layton and Paul Westphal were the starting guards.
2006-11-11 20:36:43
249.   Bob Timmermann
45-42 K State now with a little under 2 minutes left in Manhattan. Texas tried an onside kick but K State recovered.
2006-11-11 20:41:53
250.   Bob Timmermann
The weird thing is that USC has a rich basketball history and has had several great players, such as Westphal, Bill Sharman, and Alex Hannum.

However they haven't been in the Final Four since 1954.

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2006-11-11 20:48:14
251.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently kickers from the state of Oregon aren't any good today.
2006-11-11 20:49:17
252.   Greg Brock
Boy, that was just a garbage half of football from the Ducks.
2006-11-11 20:49:17
253.   Greg Brock
Boy, that was just a garbage half of football from the Ducks.
2006-11-11 20:53:11
254.   Bob Timmermann
I predict that next week's game against Cal will look remarkably similar for USC.
2006-11-11 20:55:10
255.   Greg Brock
Hey, how did that happen.

Greg Brock does not double post.

2006-11-11 20:56:11
256.   Bob Timmermann
It happens to the best of us, kid.
2006-11-11 21:28:46
257.   Greg Brock
Oregon channeling UCLA in the red zone
2006-11-11 21:31:35
258.   Linkmeister
187 Um. If you mean pre- and post-game party, you're more than welcome.

If you mean crashing on the sofas, we could probably do that too, assuming there are no more than about five people coming to the game.

2006-11-11 21:33:06
259.   Bob Timmermann
Somebody must have told Pete Carroll that K State used two consecutve option passes to scor a TD.

But Oregon likes to reciprocate.

2006-11-11 21:33:22
260.   Linkmeister
14-3 in the 3rd quarter? Are the Ducks this good or is SC overrated?

And I just remembered the next day is Christmas Day, so you'll have to bring gifts. There are six people who're usually here that morning, and we always have about six gifts apiece, so keep that in mind.

2006-11-11 21:34:20
261.   Bob Timmermann
I doubt UCLA will be able to beat ASU next week. The Bruins haven't won a road game all year.
2006-11-11 21:35:36
262.   Bob Timmermann
The score is relatively low because both Oregon and USC had fairly long drives in the first quarter that ended up with no points.
2006-11-11 21:57:53
263.   Uncle Miltie
Now they are showing the game since the Warriors game is over. That was a pretty lucky play for Oregon.
2006-11-11 22:00:57
264.   Uncle Miltie
Wow, that was an unbelievable play.
2006-11-11 22:11:32
265.   Bob Timmermann
That play was so unbelievable and it won't count.
2006-11-11 22:15:43
266.   Uncle Miltie
Petey can't be pleased
2006-11-11 22:16:00
267.   Bob Timmermann
Well, that was ... different.
2006-11-11 22:57:18
268.   Linkmeister
Heh. I just got a Flash e-mail from the UofA Alumni Association:

Homecoming 2006

Arizona Defeats No. 8 California 24-20

For the second consecutive year, Arizona has taken advantage of a strong alumni presence at Homecoming and defeated a top-10 team! After last year's memorable Homecoming victory over then-No. 7 ranked UCLA by a score of 52-14, Arizona Football has pulled off another dramatic victory! Despite being down 17-3 to start the second half, the Wildcats battled to defeat the Golden Bears 24-20. The Wildcats are now one win away from becoming bowl-eligible for the first time since the 1998 season and have two games remaining to make that happen, including a November 25 showdown against rival Arizona State!

I'm not entirely sure how the alumni's presence helped the team win, but never mind.

2006-11-11 22:59:55
269.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona would have to win at Eugene. Even though the Ducks have been awful tonight, they are tough to beat up there.

And the 'Cats got very, very, very lucky today. They are not a good team.

2006-11-11 23:01:25
270.   Bob Timmermann
Oops, looked at the standings wrong. UofA could just go bowling with a win over ASU.
2006-11-11 23:02:11
271.   Linkmeister
Hey, just beating ASU makes it a good year. I'd be happy with that.
2006-11-11 23:02:54
272.   Linkmeister
270 Yeah, if you'd read the last couple of sentences in that mail I got you'd have noticed that as well.
2006-11-11 23:08:15
273.   Bob Timmermann
That was one very, very, very, very long day of watching football.

And not many of the games were exciting either

The writers must have hated that game. All the stories in the paper tomorrow will be quite short.

USC is back on the road to Glendale.

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