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Sleeping with the enemy? Football open thread for Thanksgiving
2006-11-25 20:20
by Bob Timmermann

Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?

That is the question I will ponder on this penultimate weekend of the college football regular season. The highlight of this weekend will be the 78th renewal of the USC-Notre Dame rivalry. The two schools have played what is college football's best rivalry. It is one that has been played since 1926, with the schools missing each other only for three years during World War II (1943-45). Notre Dame leads the series 42-30-5.

As most of you well know, I'm a UCLA alum. And to most of my friends who are UCLA fans, the choice of whom to root for in this game is clear. Most UCLA fans root for Notre Dame because they want to see USC lose. After all, USC is the archenemy of UCLA. But for me, this is one week where I bleed cardinal and gold, instead of blue and gold.

But why is this so? Have I lost my UCLA fandom bona fides? I don't think so and my reasons for rooting for USC this Saturday are a combination of factors.

1. Unlike many UCLA fans, I wasn't born a UCLA fan. My parents moved to California with no allegiance to any college. My mother went to a small women's Catholic college in Belleville, Illinois, that folded up shop right as she graduated. My father didn't graduate from college, but attended one year at Saint Louis University. (Interestingly, my mother lived in St. Louis, while my father lived in Illinois. They didn't meet until after they were out of college.) My mother dictated most of her children's sporting allegiances when her sons were young. And in the early 1970s, my mom's favorite football coach was John McKay. She loved his sense of humor. She liked how his USC teams would go and whip up on the Ohio State teams of the distinctly unhumorous Woody Hayes in Rose Bowls. Mom had no patience for short-tempered martinets like Woody Hayes. She probably didn't use the phrase "short-tempered martinet" however.

When our family would watch McKay's weekly highlight show on Channel 4, McKay would joke about his days in Catholic school. This religious affiliation though was only brought up when USC was facing Notre Dame, coached at the time by Ara Parseghian. Mom loved to point out that USC had the Catholic coach, while Notre Dame had a Protestant coach. But what Mom was really getting at was that the religious affiliations of people in sports didn't matter. She told us we didn't have to root for Notre Dame because we were Catholic. She told us to root for the team we liked. God didn't choose sides in sports. As it turned out we liked the team that was the home team rather than the team from Indiana. We liked the team that came back from being down 24-6 at the half to win 55-24 in 1974.

I realize that all of this happened around the time I was about six years old until I was about twelve. People like to say that children are very impressionable then. I guess those people have a point.

2. Sticking with the religion theme, Notre Dame does like to hit you over the head with its Catholicism. And this is understandable as it is the most widely known Catholic university in the country, although I'd argue that Georgetown is probably a better school academically. Notre Dame has had "Touchdown Jesus". The PA announcer at the stadium tells you when Mass is after the football game. Some of the players come out and pray on the field before the game. Notre Dame is supposed to be God's Team in the view of some of its fans.

I've always found this distasteful. It's hard to explain this, but I always think that Catholics should be above thinking that they are holier than anyone. You're taught in Catholic school about all the things you've done wrong or could do wrong or might have done wrong. You tend to start with an image that you've already screwed up and you need to ask for forgiveness for something. Although this doesn't seem to apply to Notre Dame. They like to appear beyond reproach. Well, they're not. Go to Confession, Notre Dame fans. It's good for the soul.

3. There is a spillover from basketball. If I could go back in time to January 19, 1974, I would alter time to make sure that either Dwight Clay or, even better, Digger Phelps didn't exist. Digger Phelps is one of history's greatest monsters. It pretty much goes: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Digger, Pol Pot, and then Slobodan Milosevic. Sorry, this part is personal. Very personal. If God exists, why did He let such a miserable human being like Phelps to break John Wooden's streak. Why couldn't it have been Ralph Miller or Dick Harter or Bob Boyd or Marv Harshman? I could live with that.

4. I almost always root for any team from the West Coast when it plays against a team from another part of the country. I certainly don't want Notre Dame recruiting players from the West Coast. If any West Coast high schoolers go to Notre Dame, I can only hope that they are cursed with Ron Powlus Syndrome.

5. The Leprechaun. College football's most annoying mascot. Now if Traveler were to say, have an unfortunate accident that involved hitting the Leprechaun, would I be sad? Umm... Let me get back to you on that.

6. Just why did Paul Hornung get the Heisman Trophy in 1956?

7. Notre Dame won't join a conference in football and won't admit that they don't because they can make more money as an independent. A lot more money. Money you can take away in a convoy of armored trucks stretching from South Bend to Gary. Just be up front and say it's all about the money. It's not about the tradition. Penn State's tradition has survived a move to the Big 10.

That's enough of an unfocused, rambling tirade from me for the time being. I will keep this thread open for people who want to discuss this weekend's action on the gridiron. And if you find a football game played on a gridiron field, please tape it for me because such a field would be really funny looking.

For your listening pleasure or displeasure. Or if you prefer you can listen to this one.

Although if I had to choose, the best college fight song, I would choose this one. It's so collegiate!

Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone. Even the Notre Dame fans, who are not bad people for the most part. But sometimes you just have to take a stand.

You can also feel free to discuss NFL games. And if you actually get the NFL Network where you live, I hope you enjoy life in the Northwest Territories of Canada.

Links changed to YouTube clips for the fight songs. My usual site of didn't seem to work right.

Saturday's games. Which you probably know about (Notre Dame vs USC is at 5 pm PT)

Florida at Florida State, 9 am PT. The Gators hope to win this one, then beat Arkansas, and try to get into the BCS Championship through the sheer power of Urban Meyer's whining.

South Florida at West Virginia, 9 am PT. Bring a compass! The Mountaineers still aiming for the Big East title.

Syracuse at Rutgers, 9 am PT. The Scarlet Knights will either go to the BCS or something in Texas.

Kentucky at Tennessee, 9:30 am PT. Tennessee has won this rivalry game every year since 1984.

Oklahoma at Oklahoma State, 11:30 am PT. The Bedlam game will decide if Oklahoma or Texas plays Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship.

Louisville at Pittsburgh, 12:30 pm PT. The Cardinals can win the Big East too.

BYU at Utah, 12:30 pm PT. The Beehive Boot! A little known rule of the LDS Church requires Mormons to use profanity on this day.

Georgia Tech at Georgia, 12:30 pm PT. I predict that a team from Georgia will win.

Boise State at Nevada, 1 pm PT. If the Broncos win, one of the BCS bowl cities will have to roll out the blue carpet for the visitors from the Gem State.

Arizona State at Arizona, 3 pm PT. The Territorial Cup! The winner goes to a place like El Paso or Las Vegas. The loser goes to a place like Las Vegas or San Francisco or San Diego.

Wake Forest at Maryland, 4:45 pm PT. The winner moves on to face Georgia Tech in the ACC championship game.

Purdue at Hawai'i, 8:05 pm PT. The 'Bows are double digit favorites against an 8-4 Big 10 team. What a country!

Comments (311)
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2006-11-23 09:15:59
1.   Marty
Nice piece Bob. I'll have you know I was rooting for UCLA earlier this year against Notre Dame. They should have won too.
2006-11-23 09:47:18
2.   Linkmeister
I have a colleague who actually graduated from ND, and I've learned to step softly around him (or avoid contact altogether) if the football team has had a bad weekend.

I might quibble and say Army-Navy's a better rivalry, but that's my and my father's ex-Navy background speaking.

Happy Turkey Day, Griddlers.

2006-11-23 09:58:35
3.   Greg Brock
Good piece, Bob. I can see what leads you to root for the against the Fighting Irish (I just can't say it).

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

2006-11-23 11:30:24
4.   Jon Weisman
For me, it's reason #4. I went to the USC-Notre Dame game on my 21st birthday in 1988, and rooted for USC. But I have to say, it's easier to root for USC representing the Pac-10 when you're not actually in the Coliseum and having to listen to the endless repetition of USC's torturous rally music.
2006-11-23 12:52:57
5.   Brendan
["Notre Dame won't join a conference in football and won't admit that they don't because they can make more money as an independent. "]

Have you ever asked yourself why other teams have joined conferences? I going to assume it wasn't for reasons of brotherhood exclusively. other teams joined for money and prestige that they might not get on their own. In what scenario does it help ND to join a conference other than how it is perceived by fans who dislike the athletic teams? I also would debate how Penn State has fared since joining the Big 10

["supposed to be God's Team in the view of some of its fans." ] I agree that these minority group of ND fans are misguided but "touchdown Jesus"(a mural of Jesus that is painted on the side of the campus library) and the PA announcer letting people know when Mass will be held seem to be superficial and off target in trying to make your point. many fans are attending ND games for the first time and one can't assume they would know when and where the Mass will be held. Like you said it is a Catholic University

Points 1, 3 and especially # 4 are ones I can support.

I will end with that your Mom sounded like a heck of a woman. I really enjoyed the entry you did about your Mom buying you a WS ticket. Happy Thanksgiving Bob and thank you for all the enjoyment you bring to others with the Griddle and your "work" at DT. Ditto for you Jon

2006-11-23 12:55:07
6.   Brendan
Gah, I haven't posted in so long I forgot how to bold. I thought it was [ ]. oh well

I forgot to add that you are absolutely correct about St Louis cardinal fans and Frank Robinson though

2006-11-23 13:00:33
7.   Johan
Fight On!
2006-11-23 13:23:15
8.   Bob Timmermann
#2 was the weakest argument. It was hard to explain.

The best reason to join a conference is that it makes scheduling a lot easier.

2006-11-23 13:40:00
9.   Brendan

I know you have limited space as well, Bob.

I think teams join conferences to share the risks and the reward. If ND doesn't make the BCS or a bowl they don't have their share from other teams in the conference that are going to bowls. ND has big risk and big reward. I am also not an ND fan that absolutely abhors the idea of joining a conference either. As long as it is not the Big 10. ND will be playing 3 Big east teams a year strengthening their ties to that conference. Add that to their annual games like SC and Navy you get much closer to a conference like schedule.

ALthough I don't think ND minds the extra work it takes to schedule.
I'll be at the game on saturday night but I can't wait to read the thread when I get home(or sunday)

2006-11-23 13:47:01
10.   Bob Timmermann
There's also the problem of the whole thing getting way too much in religion and very much "inside baseball" Catholicism.

We're more of a Jesuit-oriented family.

2006-11-23 15:43:53
11.   Brendan

perfect response as always

2006-11-23 15:53:45
12.   Bob Timmermann
I have two relatives who are profs at Jesuit colleges. Actually, it's the same one.
2006-11-23 18:50:33
13.   Vishal
i agree with you about everything bob, EXCEPT for the leprechaun. i have soft spot for the irish, and i think the punchy leprechaun logo is pretty damn cool.

oh yeah, and the USC fight song (both themes, actually) is also the best one in college sports. it intimates a note of impending doom for the opposing team SO well, and it gets under your skin too if you're an opposing fan.

2006-11-23 20:02:28
14.   Suffering Bruin
#3. On this holiday, I'm happy to be in almost anyone's company but were I asked to get a glass of wine for the odious Phelps... well, I might get a little creative.

Ah, who am I kidding? Happy Holiday Di--.

Hey Greg? I can't say that, either. :)

2006-11-23 20:28:38
15.   Greg Brock
15 Happy Thanksgiving SB!

Digger Phelps...Grrrr....

2006-11-23 20:51:04
16.   das411
5 - Watch the PSU references, buddy, we are everywhere ya know! ;)

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all, and especially to our esteemed host!

2006-11-23 21:20:39
17.   Bob Timmermann
Looks like BC had to pay the price for my calumny.
2006-11-23 21:30:16
18.   Bob Timmermann
FSN is showing a replay of the 1996 USC-Notre Dame game. This will end well ...
2006-11-23 21:53:47
19.   Greg Brock
For the record, I am a huge fan of the SOJ.

Bombings, expulsion from Latin Amercia...They're like the James Bonds of Catholicism!

2006-11-23 22:13:59
20.   Bob Timmermann
Interestingly, my mother's high school in St. Louis was Notre Dame High.

Normally, Notre Dame High of Sherman Oaks plays for Notre Dame University at the Coliseum for the USC game, but this year the university band is making the trip.

Interestingly, the Notre Dame High band is going to play with the UCLA band at the Rose Bowl on December 2.

2006-11-23 22:37:42
21.   Greg Brock
I went to one Notre Dame/Southern Cal game, when Carson Palmer locked up the Heisman Trophy and the team throttled the Irish.

That was Southern Cal's welcome back party on the national stage.

I was most displeased.

2006-11-23 23:16:47
22.   Andrew Shimmin
oh yeah, and the USC fight song (both themes, actually) is also the best one in college sports. it intimates a note of impending doom for the opposing team SO well, and it gets under your skin too if you're an opposing fan.

That's just because the band's so bad. It does make my skin crawl, but I don't give the song credit for it.

2006-11-23 23:22:07
23.   Greg Brock
When you've heard Conquest and the USC fight song 12,472 times, you tune it out.

I believe the term is "systematic desensitization."

2006-11-23 23:48:48
24.   Bob Timmermann
Actually "Tribute to Troy" is played the most often. The band has a very distinct pattern of what they play.

My seats at the Rose Bowl put me close to the USC band and far away from the UCLA band, so I work on discerning patterns to keep me amused.

The Notre Dame usher told me that he used to hate USC's fight song the most. Until Tennessee came to town. Then they heard "Rocky Top."

A lot.

2006-11-24 00:08:06
25.   Greg Brock
Well, since this is (was) a day of giving thanks, I guess I should thank Bob Timmermann, who is one of the fall down funniest people I have ever had the pleasure of bantering with.

You run a great site, Bob. Thanks for all the hard work.

Go Irish!

2006-11-24 09:33:05
26.   Bob Timmermann
Beating BC yesterday didn't help Larry Coker. He was fired today.
2006-11-24 09:35:06
27.   Bob Timmermann
Out here in L.A., ABC is showing Nebraska vs. Colorado at 12:30.

I guess they didn't count on that game being bad. I'll be watching the Civil War on FSN then instead.

2006-11-24 10:22:44
28.   Andrew Shimmin
27- Thank you for posting that. I had no idea the Civil War was today.
2006-11-24 10:23:07
29.   Brendan

I believe the NCAA ruled that ND could no longer have the high school band represent them for the SC game.


You are no slouch in the fall down funniest category either Mr Brock.

2006-11-24 10:29:42
30.   Bob Timmermann
That statement about the high school band and the NCAA seems so absured that I know it has to be true because the NCAA has such bizarre rules.

The best players from Notre Dame High of Sherman Oaks almost always end up at USC or UCLA. Well, USC gets the running backs. But UCLA gets the placekickers!

(Except for the guy at Arizona.)

2006-11-24 10:51:47
31.   Marty
The only USC-Notre Dame match I personally attended was in 1966. That was a bad day.
2006-11-24 10:56:02
32.   Bob Timmermann
Didn't McKay say something like "Hit the showers men, if you actually feel like you need one" after that game?
2006-11-24 11:08:26
33.   Marty
The only other USC game I had been to back then was the 1965 UCLA game. Kurt Altenberg was on my list.
2006-11-24 11:12:02
34.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, the pride of Serra High. Altenberg passed away a couple years ago.

I covered a Serra High game a few years back where Altenberg's son was the head coach (Kurt was the Asst. Principal) and two of the assistants were Jerry Robinson and Marlin Briscoe.

However, it wasn't a very good team that year, although Serra is usually a pretty good team.

2006-11-24 11:12:46
35.   Bob Timmermann
And now Marty has given me fodder for writing about all the USC-UCLA games I've attended in my lifetime. That will be next week!
2006-11-24 11:17:29
36.   Bob Timmermann
Gregg Easterbrook will be happy to know that Brad Nessler identified a play as an end around instead of a reverse.

Then Paul McGuire called it a reverse.

2006-11-24 11:19:05
37.   Andrew Shimmin
This came up last week. What's the difference between and end around and a reverse?
2006-11-24 11:22:29
38.   Bob Timmermann
And end around is exactly what it says. An end comes "around" from the outside and is pitched the ball from the QB. Presumably, the defense hasn't adjusted to the unexpected position of the player on the field. If the end is fast, the play can work very well.

On a reverse, the ball is handed to a back who runs one way and then a player coming the other direction is handed the ball and he runs the other way, i.e., the reverse direction. The plan on this is to get the defense to overpursue one way. The drawback with it is that it can take a while for the play to develop and the more times you hand off the ball, the more times you can drop it.

2006-11-24 11:31:44
39.   Andrew Shimmin
Ah. Two hand offs, instead of one. Gotcha. Thanks.
2006-11-24 11:33:59
40.   Bob Timmermann

Also the flow of the play does not switch on an end around.

2006-11-24 11:35:44
41.   Greg Brock
It would also be more clear if the term "end" was used to describe flankers and receivers, which it has not been for a very long time.

Flanker/Receiver around would help clarify.

2006-11-24 11:37:42
42.   Bob Timmermann
There is a play called a flanker reverse. But I haven't seen it run in quite a while. Bob Toledo would call it for UCLA. Toledo loved his trick plays.
2006-11-24 11:39:47
43.   Greg Brock
42 Oh yes, I remember the flanker reverse quite well.

And the triple reverse wide receiver pass backwards to the kicker, who then pitches it to Brad Melsby, who then throws it to Toledo, who passes it to the tight end.

The halcyon days of Bob Toledo. Did not think I would ever be saying that.

2006-11-24 11:42:41
44.   Bob Timmermann
In the Rose Bowl against Wisconsin, UCLA scored on a pass from flanker Freddie Mitchell to FB Durrell Price.

However, there was the small matter that no one on the UCLA defense ever laid a hand on Ron Dayne.

Ron Dayne is on a list of mine.

2006-11-24 11:43:36
45.   Greg Brock
Ron Dayne and Edgerrin James are on several lists.
2006-11-24 11:43:52
46.   Marty
LSU-Arkansas ought to be a decent game.
2006-11-24 11:46:19
47.   Bob Timmermann
Just how did Arkansas give up 50 points to USC?

USC's offense hasn't been that efficient in its other eight games. Even Stanford just gave up 42 to USC.

2006-11-24 11:47:11
48.   Marty
I can't figure out that Arkansas game either. But it's helping SC in the BCS standings.
2006-11-24 11:49:23
49.   Bob Timmermann
Double checking the boxscore, Arkansas turned the ball over five times against USC.

And USC managed to rush for 193 yards.

2006-11-24 11:53:49
50.   Andrew Shimmin
There you go again, applying your SABR philosophy to football. To football! Let me tell you my friend, I don't know much about football, but I know it's a game of guts. And passion. Does your "box score" have a column for heart?

USC just plain out-viscera'd the Hogs. Just like A&M is doing to Texas right now. Or, I suppose you have some wonky statistical explanation for that, too?

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2006-11-24 11:53:51
51.   Bob Timmermann
Now you go for two, Franchione.
2006-11-24 11:55:30
52.   Bob Timmermann
USC had 30 first downs against Arkansas. That's a lot.
2006-11-24 11:56:48
53.   Bob Timmermann

Right now, A&M has outgained UT by about 70 yards. 10 of 15 on 3rd down conversions.

2006-11-24 12:01:32
54.   Andrew Shimmin
I remember a malevolent anti-option undercurrent in the talk last week (I think it was last week, anyway). But it's fun to watch. And it's going to lead A&M to victory! Unless this penalty is against them.
2006-11-24 12:03:08
55.   Andrew Shimmin
Ooh, an ejection. But, it was after the pick, so, A&M all the way.
2006-11-24 12:05:30
56.   Bob Timmermann
From Bruce Feldman's blog on Out of his mailbag:

From Colin in Morgan Hill, Calif.: I don't know of any USC fans that would say they hate UCLA more than Notre Dame. Maybe in the past, but not now. Especially with Charlie Wies being so easy to despise.

Feldman: Knowing a lot of USC fans, I think you might be right about that.

Trust me Bruce. USC fans still hate UCLA a lot. A whole lot.

2006-11-24 12:06:24
57.   Bob Timmermann
Oklahoma can win its division of the Big 12 with a win over Oklahoma State.

We'd finally get an important Oklahoma-Nebraska game again.

2006-11-24 12:07:43
58.   Greg Brock
The old Oklahoma/Nebraska games were an option lover's delight. We had the wishbone in that one!

These days are slightly different.

2006-11-24 12:11:53
59.   Bob Timmermann
And they were matchups between solid citizen Tom Osborne and hellraiser Barry Switzer.
2006-11-24 12:21:42
60.   Bob Timmermann
Off to Little Rock for a while for me. Then I'll visit Oregon.
2006-11-24 12:25:02
61.   Greg Brock
If beating Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas was a prerequisite for keeping your job at Texas A&M, the Aggies would have gone through A LOT of coaches.
2006-11-24 12:29:02
62.   Greg Brock
Nothing gets me fired up like football announcers talking literature.

I know Andrew was loving that.

2006-11-24 12:35:02
63.   Andrew Shimmin
The thing is, the first program I ever wrote demonstrated that Shakespeare was better than Twain.

10 REM Shakespeare is better than Twain
20 GOTO 10

It just wouldn't stop proving it. It's mission in life was to prove it. And it did. Now, writing a program to pick the dumbest football announcer, that'd take skill.

2006-11-24 12:43:58
64.   Bob Timmermann
The Civil War is a sartorial nightmare.
2006-11-24 12:45:24
65.   Greg Brock
I am loving the Arkansas offense.

All trickeration, all the time!

In other news, I hear Karl Dorrell is breaking out the screen pass against Southern Cal.

2006-11-24 12:50:47
66.   Greg Brock
And then they go for two...
2006-11-24 12:51:15
67.   Bob Timmermann
Dear Houston Nutt,
Don't go for 2 in the second quarter at home.

Thank you,

2006-11-24 12:55:16
68.   Greg Brock
I stopped caring about the Ice Wars once the Ewoks showed up.

I'll pass.

2006-11-24 13:04:47
69.   Greg Brock
Oregon's uniforms
OSU's uniforms
Petros Papadakis

Really, if you don't want me to watch the game, just tell me up front. No need for the drastic measures.

2006-11-24 13:07:13
70.   Bob Timmermann
Further destroying my UCLA fandom bona fides, I like Petros Papadakis.

For a guy, who actually has a job with USC (PA announcer for basketball games), he does a good job of being impartial.

He's just nuts.

2006-11-24 13:08:32
71.   Greg Brock
You're just doing this on purpose now.
2006-11-24 13:09:22
72.   Greg Brock
He does a very good job of staying impartial. I'll give him that.
2006-11-24 13:10:13
73.   Bob Timmermann
I covered Petros when he was an option QB for Peninsula High and ran for a bunch of TDs in a playoff game against Canyon.

It was really cold that night. Canyon High brought a heater. I stood by the heater much of the game.

2006-11-24 13:10:57
74.   Bob Timmermann
That should be covered Petros for a local paper.

I wasn't asked to try to tackle him. I likely would have failed at that.

2006-11-24 13:12:31
75.   Greg Brock
Those early Peninsula teams were very good.

His brother Tasso was very large, if I recall.

2006-11-24 13:15:17
76.   Bob Timmermann
Do Oregon's uniforms have yellow letters on a yellow background?
2006-11-24 13:16:04
77.   Bob Timmermann
Peninsula High is still pretty good. Pete Carroll's son played there last year.
2006-11-24 13:16:32
78.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob has a Todd Marinovich poster on his bedroom door.
2006-11-24 13:18:03
79.   Bob Timmermann
There's ANOTHER Papadakis at Peninsula High too now.
2006-11-24 13:19:23
80.   Greg Brock
Meh. Put three schools together, and you're going to be good.

Even if those schools are Miraleste, RHS, and PV High.

Nice to see the Sea Kings back.

2006-11-24 13:19:59
81.   Bob Timmermann
The only USC quarterback I would have a poster of would be Rob Johnson.

I miss Rob Johnson.

I loved Rob Johnson. The only other USC quarterbacks I liked as much were Matt Koffler and Scott Tinsley.

2006-11-24 13:21:20
82.   Andrew Shimmin
81- But don't anybody dare question his UCLA fandom.
2006-11-24 13:21:58
83.   Bob Timmermann
I also have a Reggie Perry poster!
2006-11-24 13:22:13
84.   Greg Brock
Mike Van Raaphorst is also a personal fav.
2006-11-24 13:24:23
85.   Bob Timmermann
Mein Gott! There are yellow letters on the back of Oregon's yellow jerseys!

Oh the humanity!

2006-11-24 13:27:50
86.   Greg Brock
The letters I saw were gray.
One other player had white letters.
So yeah, there are probably some yellow ones in there as well.
2006-11-24 13:38:32
87.   Bob Timmermann
If Oregon can get a waiver to wear yellow on the road, the NCAA should let USC and UCLA both wear their home colors next week.

They won't do that, but that was so cool before.

2006-11-24 13:38:43
88.   Andrew Shimmin
Bridgette would have had her letters in pink. Or baby blue.
2006-11-24 13:40:58
89.   Bob Timmermann
Still having that Easterbrookian fascination with cheerleaders aren't we?
2006-11-24 13:49:33
90.   Andrew Shimmin
Who's the guy paired with Petros? He was scared to death Petros was about to go Michael Richards all over him.
2006-11-24 13:50:20
91.   Andrew Shimmin
89- I always like to have a theme.
2006-11-24 13:53:26
92.   Greg Brock
You wouldn't have a computer tell you if Seurat is better than Cezanne, would you?

Would you?


2006-11-24 14:05:46
93.   Greg Brock
Arkansas sure is fun to watch.
2006-11-24 14:18:32
94.   Bob Timmermann
Petros is paired with longtime West Coast announcer Barry Tompkins.
2006-11-24 14:24:01
95.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Arkansas's chances of playing a football game in Glendale, Arizona on January 8 are starting to get more and more remote.
2006-11-24 14:24:59
96.   Greg Brock
Whither Mitch Mustain?
2006-11-24 14:28:35
97.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps young Mr. Mustain will be told to strap on his helmet and try to pull this one out.
2006-11-24 14:32:37
98.   Bob Timmermann
That run by McFadden obviated the need for a new QB.
2006-11-24 14:33:09
99.   Greg Brock
Darren McFadden is an above average footballer.
2006-11-24 14:36:50
100.   Bob Timmermann
On second thought, get Mustain up.
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2006-11-24 14:38:17
101.   Greg Brock
Goodness gracious, quite a few plays in this game...
2006-11-24 14:39:00
102.   Greg Brock
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why kickers hate being on the field after kicking.
2006-11-24 14:39:55
103.   Bob Timmermann
There were three consecutive plays that were of 80, 92, and 62 yards.
2006-11-24 14:49:47
104.   Greg Brock
Hey Coach Miles, the clock stops on an incomplete pass.

Thought you should know.

2006-11-24 14:58:21
105.   Greg Brock
Well, this will be interesting...
2006-11-24 14:58:41
106.   Bob Timmermann
72 yards to glory for Casey Dick!

I don't see him doing a Brady Quinn here.

2006-11-24 14:59:18
107.   Greg Brock
Not really sure about his play calling.
2006-11-24 15:01:20
108.   Greg Brock
Okay, I am sure about the play calling.

It was terrible.

2006-11-24 15:01:39
109.   Bob Timmermann
If only Casey Dick had been the QB in Notre Dame back in October ....
2006-11-24 15:02:00
110.   Bob Timmermann
This will devalue the SEC championship.
2006-11-24 15:03:33
111.   Greg Brock
You know nothing
2006-11-24 15:03:56
112.   Marty
110 Obviously you don't know anything about college football. Vern Lundquist told me so.
2006-11-24 15:06:16
113.   Bob Timmermann
I like to put it on a tee for people.
2006-11-24 15:14:04
114.   Greg Brock
Dan Hawkins needs to understand that you are never going to be able to recruit big time college athletes with a haricut like a six year old boy.
2006-11-24 15:15:50
115.   Greg Brock
Or a haircut like a six year old boy.


2006-11-24 15:22:49
116.   Greg Brock
I am not impressed by being tied with Tommie Frazier on the all time Nebraska passing TD list.
2006-11-24 15:45:44
117.   Bob Timmermann
The pass looked incomplete to me.

The one in Corvallis.

2006-11-24 15:49:00
118.   overkill94
I'm trying to help my parents do the whole "record one show while watching another" thing for their TiVo, but the manual says you can't do that with a satellite. Is this true? Are they doomed to deal with a non-multi-tasking recording device?

Oh yeah, football talk...The only reason I want USC to win is so that it'll be that much sweeter when UCLA knocks them out of the BCS championship picture next week. Hey, it could happen!

2006-11-24 15:49:01
119.   Greg Brock
Looks like I turned it to FSN just in time.
2006-11-24 15:49:58
120.   Greg Brock
Well, that was certainly a gutsy call.
2006-11-24 15:50:54
121.   Bob Timmermann
Just like in 1865, there won't be overtime in the Civil War.
2006-11-24 16:00:49
122.   Bob Timmermann
Why don't kick returners juggle the ball all the time to make the coverage overpursue?

Besides the chance that you are likely to fumble the ball away.

2006-11-24 16:04:07
123.   overkill94
It looks like they peeled off the names on the backs of the jerseys, aren't they usually Green? It would explain why some are grey and some are white. Is it a Dodgersesque solidarity thing?
2006-11-24 16:05:35
124.   Bob Timmermann
That field goal attempt went about 2 feet in the air.
2006-11-24 16:06:52
125.   Bob Timmermann
So are the Beavers headed to El Paso? Are the Ducks headed to San Francisco or Las Vegas?
2006-11-24 16:07:03
126.   Greg Brock
Wow, that kick was outstanding.

Must have hit it off the hozzle.

2006-11-24 16:09:09
127.   Greg Brock
I think Oregon's kicker next year should be Ian Baker-Finch.
2006-11-24 16:13:41
128.   Andrew Shimmin
Four consecutive episodes of King of Queens on TBS right now. Yes! The day after Thanksgiving rocks so hard.
2006-11-24 16:21:56
129.   Bob Timmermann
You can watch Fresno State vs. Louisiana Tech later.
2006-11-24 16:23:57
130.   Andrew Shimmin
So. Hard!
2006-11-24 16:27:08
131.   Bob Timmermann
They're a combined 6-15!
2006-11-24 16:27:47
132.   Greg Brock
Nice to see Russia becoming one gigantic Robert Ludlum novel.

Nothing like a little radiation poisoning.

2006-11-24 16:40:30
133.   Bob Timmermann
So I guess I should toss out my Flintsones Chewable Polonium vitamins?
2006-11-24 16:48:10
134.   Greg Brock
I just can't believe Vladimir Putin would do something like that.

If you can't trust the former head of the KGB, who can you trust?

2006-11-24 16:48:41
135.   Andrew Shimmin
133- You don't have to. The Sky News story helpfully informs us that Polonium is only harmful if ingested. So, as a baby rattle, or something, those vitamins are perfectly safe.
2006-11-24 16:49:24
136.   Andrew Shimmin
What's Putin's hat size?
2006-11-24 17:45:33
137.   Greg Brock
My file on Putin does not have his hat size.

I'll contact my people around the local haberdasheries and see what I can come up with.

2006-11-24 20:02:47
138.   Bob Timmermann
I am actually watching Fresno State vs. Louisiana Tech, live from Reston.

I think a few thousand have shown up for the game.

2006-11-24 20:43:54
139.   Andrew Shimmin
Ugly game. Does Fresno always play dirty (is it three personal fouls yet, or only two?), or is this an aberration?
2006-11-24 20:47:55
140.   Bob Timmermann
ESPN begged Nevada to switch their game with Boise State to tonight because that game is for a BCS spot, while this game decides nothing.

But at least Trevor Matich and Rod Gilmore are having nice arguments.

2006-11-25 02:31:56
141.   Greg Brock
On behalf of all practicing Episcopalians, we are all Catholics today!

Except for the married priest thing. And the allowing gays thing. And the female priests thing.

Okay, maybe we're not Catholics, but we're rooting for the Irish!

2006-11-25 07:38:05
142.   Marty
except for one....:)
2006-11-25 07:46:22
143.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, speaking on behalf of the worldwide membership of the Roman Catholic Church (est. AD 1, a Delaware corporation), in all due respect, Episcopalians are just "Catholic light."
2006-11-25 11:16:07
144.   Linkmeister
141 Well, there's also the anti-contraception thing, the anti-Galileo thing, the Crusades, the Inquisition...

It's easier to be a lapsed Catholic than to be a practicing one.

2006-11-25 11:30:08
145.   Bob Timmermann
West Virginia is seeing its BCS chances go down against the dynamo that is South Florida.
2006-11-25 12:51:38
146.   Bill Crain
An open thread? Too good to pass up:

My, mistake. Football open thread.

In that case, Fight on. Beat the domers.

This post looks like one of Plaschke's

Pete Bethard > Gary Beban

2006-11-25 13:48:25
147.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, a USC basketball comment....
2006-11-25 14:49:07
148.   Bob Timmermann
Oklahoma holds on and goes on to play Nebraska in the Big 12 championship.

Break out your wishbones.

2006-11-25 15:37:11
149.   underdog
Sorry to bring in pro football here for a sec, but anyone know the latest on my Broncos QB situation? Is Cutler really gonna get the call for the next game? Might be for the best, though I feel a bit badly for Jake, some of his struggles this year aren't his fault tho he hasn't helped himself much either.

Cutler's gonna be a good 'un. Just not sure it will be this year.

2006-11-25 15:43:34
150.   Bob Timmermann
As of yesterday, Mike Shanahan hadn't named a starter for December 3, but I believe the Jake Plummer Marching and Chowder Society has been disbanded.
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2006-11-25 15:45:02
151.   Bill Crain
147 Plenty hubris, huh?

Wait'll you see the new OJ®

2006-11-25 15:49:33
152.   Bob Timmermann
The New OJ, with 75% less stabbing!

I would love it if USC and UCLA were on more or less equal footing in the Pac-10 in basketball. But with the exception of the Paul Westphal Era, the two schools always seem to be on opposite ends of the curve when it comes to quality.

2006-11-25 15:55:04
153.   Bob Timmermann
The Arizona Renaissance under Stoops appears to be short-lived as ASU is off to a 21-0 lead over the Wildcats in Tucson.
2006-11-25 15:57:33
154.   Bill Crain
Westfal, Layton, Mackie, Riley, Monroe Nash. . . Those were some great games. (Not as fun as the great Ron Taylor stall.) It's okay now, though. OJ will find the real killer. (It's Westfal himself, who is trying to kill me on FSN Prime Ticket. Makes me long for Steve Lyons.)
2006-11-25 15:58:54
155.   Bob Timmermann
BYU pulls out a win in the Beehive Boot with a last second TD pass to win 33-31. The Cougars went 75 yards in 11 plays in 1:01.
2006-11-25 16:22:05
156.   trainwreck
Keep getting highly regarded one and done basketball players USC.
2006-11-25 16:26:05
157.   Bob Timmermann
Roll out the blue carpet in the BCS.

Boise State 38
Nevada 7

Broncos go 12-0 and are probably headed to Glendale, AZ, for the Fiesta Bowl against either Oklahoma or Nebraska.

Maybe the Rose Bowl, which will get first dibs on at large teams, will pick Boise State!

OK, maybe not.

2006-11-25 16:37:36
158.   trainwreck
It would have been great to see Boise St and Rutgers in BCS games.
2006-11-25 16:42:05
159.   Bob Timmermann
Rutgers will be in the BCS if they beat West Virginia next week.

I believe that Boise State's spot, which was pretty sure, was made definite when Georgia Tech lost. The ACC champ is going to be ranked very low.

2006-11-25 16:45:05
160.   Andrew Shimmin
If SC loses today, or next week, would we get an SC/Michigan Rose Bowl?
2006-11-25 16:46:35
161.   Bill Crain
Approaching 2006-11-25 17:00:00

Time to move to the big(ger) screen. Need to open up a giant can of good old LA whuppin' retribution for poor, beleaguered fallguy Karl Dorrell. (Can you mix that many metaphors?) Reference Bob's reason #4. (#2 not all that weak either) Plus I remember when they wouldn't redshirt or play in a bowl game. Reasons of principle indeed.

Carry on here. Roundball another day.

2006-11-25 16:50:20
162.   Bob Timmermann
If USC loses today or next week, then we are likely headed to a USC vs. Big East champ Rose Bowl. I don't think Notre Dame or Florida can jump over Michigan in the BCS.
2006-11-25 16:55:08
163.   Andrew Shimmin
What if SC doesn't lose? Then who plays the Rose Bowl?
2006-11-25 17:08:59
164.   Bob Timmermann
Michigan vs. the Big East champ? Or LSU? Or Notre Dame?
2006-11-25 17:12:44
165.   Andrew Shimmin
Alright. Then I'm afraid USC has to lose this game. We can't take the chance of Notre Dame going to the Rose Bowl! I don't care very much about the BCS business. My can't it go back to the way it was, so I can have USC vs. Ohio State in Pasadena? I like Michigan better than OSU, so I was willing to tolerate that substitution. But Louisville or LSU, or especially Notre Dame are not at all acceptable.
2006-11-25 17:13:19
166.   Andrew Shimmin
Why, I meant. Not 'my.'
2006-11-25 17:14:24
167.   Bob Timmermann
But if USC plays Ohio State, it will be in Glendale and that's almost like Pasadena!
2006-11-25 17:16:11
168.   trainwreck
I want USC to lose, but I cannot root for Notre Dame, if that makes any sense.
2006-11-25 17:19:58
169.   Bob Timmermann
I just want Notre Dame to lose, but I assume people read all the paragraphs above...

I recently watched the end of last year's game. Which I had never seen before.

2006-11-25 17:25:55
170.   Andrew Shimmin
I should be in charge of the Rose Bowl. The game should be Cal vs. Michigan. Let OSU and USC play wherever else they like. The two best public collages in the country meeting in the only bowl worth watching? What beats that?

I should be in charge of stuff.

2006-11-25 17:27:26
171.   Andrew Shimmin
Let's all pretend I didn't misspell college. M'kay? Great.
2006-11-25 17:28:24
172.   trainwreck
Michigan= slaughterhouse
Cal= cow
2006-11-25 17:30:08
173.   Andrew Shimmin
It's a lot easier to send the cow to slaughter when you don't have any particular emotional attachment to it.
2006-11-25 17:31:55
174.   Bob Timmermann
Lee Corso told me that Cal was the most talented team in the country.

Lee Corso lied to me.

I have no faith left in humanity.

2006-11-25 17:33:04
175.   trainwreck
It's funny that hockey probably has the best analysts on ESPN.
2006-11-25 17:36:04
176.   trainwreck
It is all up to UCLA once again.
2006-11-25 17:36:19
177.   Andrew Shimmin
Looks like USC doesn't care if the rest of us get stuck watching Notre Dame play in the Rose Bowl. How selfish. UCLA's going to have to take care of them next week.
2006-11-25 17:38:12
178.   Bob Timmermann
If Notre Dame gets trounced, they won't be going to the Rose Bowl.
2006-11-25 17:39:07
179.   Bob Timmermann
Counting on UCLA to beat USC is like relying on Juan Pierre to hit a game-winning grand slam against Mariano Rivera.
2006-11-25 17:40:04
180.   trainwreck
So you are saying there's a chance. Woooo!
2006-11-25 17:40:23
181.   Andrew Shimmin
179- That's the soft bigotry of low expectations talking, there.
2006-11-25 17:42:06
182.   Bob Timmermann
The three runners on base ahead of Juan Pierre would have to be Jason Repko, Toby Hall, and Oscar Robles.
2006-11-25 17:45:18
183.   trainwreck
Juan Pierre and Repko in the same lineup, plus Oscar Robles playing is a great sign.
2006-11-25 17:45:39
184.   Andrew Shimmin
Easy. Repko reaches on an error. Hall bunts him over, but Mo throws to second, late. Both safe. Oscar walks. Pierre goes yard. The odds against that are stiff, I'm sure, but, what, like 3-1? 7-2?
2006-11-25 17:56:21
185.   trainwreck
Well I am off to watch the Jazz destroy the Warriors. Have fun watching the game guys.
2006-11-25 18:26:48
186.   Bob Timmermann
I think it's just Andrew and I. Even Greg Brock has abandoned us.
2006-11-25 18:33:16
187.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm gone, too. I have several letters of concern to write to 2007 Rose Queen Mary McCluggage, re: Michigan vs. Cal. And my distress that she was picked for the office over the clearly superior Bridgette.
2006-11-25 18:35:13
188.   Andrew Shimmin
George Lucas is the Grand Marshall, so I've got to write to him, too. Maybe I should put the Bridgette stuff in the letter to him, so Mary McCluggage doesn't feel bad. I can write to her about my distress over Jar Jar Binks.
2006-11-25 18:41:40
189.   Bob Timmermann
Notre Dame will definitely play in the Rose Bowl next year. They will play UCLA out here.
2006-11-25 18:43:04
190.   Andrew Shimmin
Hard as it may be to believe, McCluggage isn't even the best name from the contenders for the crown. There was an entire Kaitlin Terpstra-Sweeney that went overlooked. I think there may have been a Diebold situation at play, here.

2006-11-25 18:46:02
191.   Bob Timmermann
I like the name McCluggage. She would enjoy Notre Dame coming to Pasadena on New Year's Day.
2006-11-25 18:54:34
192.   Andrew Shimmin
You only like her because she's the tallest one.

2006-11-25 18:56:31
193.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh, and if Brock shows up, lets all be aware that these upstanding young women are teenagers, many of whom haven't reached the age of majority. So. Let's mind our manners. Brock.
2006-11-25 18:59:59
194.   Bob Timmermann
Mike Patrick on ESPN just said that Wake Forest has a "professor to student ratio" of 9 to 1.

I never needed nine professors for any class.

2006-11-25 19:32:48
195.   Andrew Shimmin
Doesn't look like they gave it to him. . .
2006-11-25 19:33:24
196.   Andrew Shimmin
[unprintable profanity]
2006-11-25 19:35:12
197.   Andrew Shimmin
2006-11-25 19:41:32
198.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm crossing the street to get away from a mangy dog,
Talking to myself in a monologue.
I think what I need might be a full length leather coat.
Somebody just asked me if I registered to vote. . .
2006-11-25 19:44:14
199.   Bob Timmermann
I thought everybody left. I'm angry at Mr. Brock for abandoning me tonight.

It's not business. It's personal.

2006-11-25 19:55:08
200.   Andrew Shimmin
Remember how he was speculating that this might be a four digit comment thread? I think the punishment, when he gets back, should be to push this thread, where ever it ends up, to 1000.
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2006-11-25 20:07:01
201.   tjshere
USC fan checking in here. Marty must be too engrossed in the game to be here to revel with me.
2006-11-25 20:07:37
202.   Bob Timmermann
I look at it this way, Jarrett can't catch that many passes against UCLA, can he?
2006-11-25 20:08:00
203.   Andrew Shimmin
UCLA's plan for victory next week must include a straight razor and Dwayne Jarrett's Achilles tendon.
2006-11-25 20:11:18
204.   Bob Timmermann
That would just mean that Steve Smith would catch all the passes.

UCLA will likely lose because of an inability to score against USC.

2006-11-25 20:12:53
205.   Andrew Shimmin
That's not fair. It was only helmet to helmet because the guy came down. If he'd stayed up in the air, it would have been a perfectly legal helmet to kidney, hit.
2006-11-25 20:16:20
206.   Andrew Shimmin
2006-11-25 20:18:18
207.   Bob Timmermann
Jimmy Clausen's name has been invoked.


2006-11-25 20:26:40
208.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Samardzija throws 99 mph?

Why do I doubt Bob Davie's accuracy in reporting that fact?

2006-11-25 20:29:18
209.   Vishal
i thought uw-madison was likely the 2nd best public school, no?
2006-11-25 20:30:02
210.   Andrew Shimmin
Boo! again. How does losing by three touchdowns to a team that lost to OREGON STATE make Notre Dame Rose Bowl worthy?
2006-11-25 20:31:09
211.   Bob Timmermann
What criteria are we using to rate public schools?
2006-11-25 20:32:16
212.   Vishal
[211] hopefully not football :)
2006-11-25 20:32:41
213.   Andrew Shimmin
209- USNews has them at 34, behind Cal (21), Michigan, UVA (tied for 24), UCLA (26), and UNC (27). But who really knows?
2006-11-25 20:34:33
214.   Bob Timmermann
So here's who the Rose Bowl will have available to choose from:

Notre Dame (if they don't drop below 12)
Arkansas/Florida loser or LSU (you can't have three teams from one conference)
Boise State (likely going to the Fiesta Bowl)

2006-11-25 20:41:40
215.   Vishal
i'm rooting for michigan/lsu
2006-11-25 21:02:39
216.   Bob Timmermann
LSU and Michigan have never played each other.
2006-11-25 21:08:35
217.   Linkmeister
Update for Bob: UH leads Purdue 14-0 with 8:30 to go first half.
2006-11-25 21:12:51
218.   Bob Timmermann
Thanks. I'm following online.
2006-11-25 21:41:47
219.   Andrew Shimmin
Back to back to back to back blocked shots in the Florida/Kansas game on ESPN2. Dubious bonus: Dickie V. is in the house.
2006-11-25 21:43:36
220.   Andrew Shimmin
Whoops. One to many backs. It was still cool.
2006-11-25 21:50:17
221.   Bill Crain
Ugh. Michigan v. Rutgers, Louisville, and Boise State all at once. Can't send a loser to Pasadena--and that criterion now officially eliminates the Irish.
2006-11-25 21:56:49
222.   Andrew Shimmin
Tie game, fifty-one seconds left in the Kansas/Florida game. Tense.
2006-11-25 21:58:18
223.   Daniel Zappala
Good omen of the day: my wife dressed in a USC sweatshirt after I mentioned the game last night. I always wanted to see an onsides kick returned for a touchdown, and I got that tonight.

Fantastic win for BYU today. Absolutely great game, ought to go on ESPN classic immediately. The final play of the game came with 3.2 seconds left, BYU on Utah's 11 yard line. Utah rushed only 2 and dropped 8 into the endzone, since they were up by 4. Beck moved right, left, then scrambled hard right, stopped, and threw back to his left as he got hit. He found a receiver wide open in the end zone, and he caught it on his knees as the ball barely floated over the goal line. The offensive coordinator admitted after the game that the play he called was "everybody just run around and try to get open".

2006-11-25 22:00:18
224.   Daniel Zappala
And Bob, you should know that the only swearing you'll hear at BYU is "gosh!"
2006-11-25 22:03:57
225.   Andrew Shimmin
Hey Vitale, feel free to shut up. Just for the next seventeen seconds; you can go nuts after that.
2006-11-25 22:07:02
226.   Bill Crain
225 Overtime. Five more minutes of Dicky.
2006-11-25 22:08:31
227.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm changing the channel. Kansas is now dead to me. All they had to do was not be morons. If I were the President of that school, I'd revoke every one of their scholarships.
2006-11-25 22:10:18
228.   Bob Timmermann
I was going to use the transitive property of victories to declare Oral Roberts the #1 team in the country there...

Why are these teams playing in Las Vegas?

2006-11-25 22:11:23
229.   Bill Crain
227 But not Rodrick Stewart. Former Trojan driven off by Henry Bibby? How can you not have some mercy for that kid?
2006-11-25 22:14:41
230.   Bob Timmermann
Henry Bibby had such good people skills.
2006-11-25 22:22:29
231.   Bill Crain
228 Las Vegas Invitational:

One point, four seconds.

2006-11-25 22:25:14
232.   Vishal
[228] wouldn't that make loyola marymount #1?
2006-11-25 22:25:41
233.   Bill Crain
Kansas wins by 2.

230 common ground

2006-11-25 22:26:19
234.   Bob Timmermann
No, that would be taking it to extremes! :-)
2006-11-25 22:35:55
235.   Bob Timmermann
But if Loyola Marymount is #1, USC will have a chance to get the title when they play the Lions next Saturday at the Galen Center.

Get your tickets now!

Again I ask: Why does USC schedule a basketball game at home the same day as the UCLA football game?

2006-11-25 22:41:56
236.   Bob Timmermann
To make Andrew happy, the New York Times is reporting that Notre Dame's most likely BCS destination is New Orleans.

That means that the Rose Bowl is likely going to be Michigan vs. Louisville/Rutgers/LSU.

2006-11-25 22:42:36
237.   Vishal
[234] haha, fair enough. though if we really carried it to extremes, clemson would be #1. they're at least undefeated.

[235] the football game should be over by the time the basketball game starts.. and uh, more alumni are likely to be in town? i'm grasping at straws, admittedly.

2006-11-25 22:44:08
238.   Bill Crain
235 Some say Mike Garrett is Henry Bibby in disguise. Others think that before the Galen Center appeared on campus, Mike was unaware we had a basketball team.

LMU strengthening their claim for Florida's spot at #1 by leading Cal in Alaska.

Update: Cal now up by 2 in transitive land

2006-11-25 22:50:24
239.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm not giving up the ghost on UCLA pulling it out next weekend. Yet. Sure, they'll need, like, fifteen field goals, but I think that might be doable. Must write a letter to Bridgette, sketching out my straight razor plan.
2006-11-25 22:56:07
240.   Bob Timmermann
USC vs. UCLA at the Rose Bowl, kickoff 1:30 pm
USC vs. LMU at the Galen Center, tipoff 6 pm

Be sure to park in a place that gives you easy egress from the Arroyo Seco and then drive fast.

I think USC and UCLA should go back to playing their basketball games on back-to-back nights. I think it would be fun for the city.

Instead, the one at the Galen Center will be on a Saturday in January while the one at Pauley will be on a Wednesday in February.

2006-11-25 22:58:10
241.   Bob Timmermann
I'm certain Karl Dorrell has some tricks up his sleeve to throw off Pete Carroll. He may run a draw play.

Or install the triple option.

2006-11-25 23:13:23
242.   Bill Crain
241 You're saying Juan Pierre has some tricks ready for Mariano? I know I'll be watching. For once without Keith Jackson!
2006-11-25 23:15:34
243.   Bob Timmermann
Boilermakers and 'Bows tied at 35-35 with about 4 minutes left in Honolulu.
2006-11-25 23:18:59
244.   Andrew Shimmin
The Jazz got beat. Wonder if trainwreck will be happy or sad about it.
2006-11-25 23:22:18
245.   Vishal
meanwhile, cal has stretched its lead to 14 points. this is the final of the great alaska shootout, right?
2006-11-25 23:22:47
246.   Bob Timmermann
And the Bows went from being down by 8 with 6 minutes left to being up 7 with 1:30 left.
2006-11-25 23:23:26
247.   Vishal
...and hawaii's offense comes through with another quick touchdown.
2006-11-25 23:23:58
248.   Bob Timmermann
Hawai'i finished third in the Great Alaska Shootout. I wonder if you can fly nonstop from Honolulu to Anchorage.
2006-11-25 23:24:26
249.   Bob Timmermann
43 points in the fourth quarter for the two teams in Honolulu.
2006-11-25 23:24:42
250.   Bill Crain
Down to four, are we? If only there were some sort of playoff system. . .
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2006-11-25 23:25:04
251.   Greg Brock
Well, I went to the Southern Cal/Notre Dame game. It did not go as I hoped it would.

I hope the USC band contracts the Ebola virus. And I hope that Pete dies.

Yeah, I'm a bit angry, and I'm not at my best right now. Good lord, I hate Southern Cal.

2006-11-25 23:25:46
252.   Bob Timmermann

Would this playoff require us to be nice to Auburn? Tommy Tuberville always feels left out.

2006-11-25 23:26:34
253.   overkill94
245 Didn't the Great Alaska Shootout used to feature some of the best teams in the country? Doesn't sound so great to me.
2006-11-25 23:26:54
254.   Bob Timmermann
Well, at least you're not bitter.
2006-11-25 23:27:15
255.   Bill Crain
There's always a fifth team, isn't there, to screw things up. Now we'll have to find three more, start with eight. . .
2006-11-25 23:28:17
256.   Brendan
I just returned home from the game. I hope Charlie asks for a "Jarret" this christmas. I was in a group of all USC fans. a miserable 4 hours that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I would love UCLA to knock of SC or a blimp to crash into the stadium in glendale when it hosts SC and Ohio State. But I'm not bitter
2006-11-25 23:29:16
257.   Bill Crain
250 Tommy may not have the url, but 253 makes six. Two more to go.
2006-11-25 23:29:36
258.   Bill Crain
2006-11-25 23:29:45
259.   Brendan
I did not see post 251 or 254 before I posted.
2006-11-25 23:30:45
260.   Bob Timmermann
And the 'Bows will hold on thanks to a couple key interceptions late in the game.

The Great Alaska Shootout had Alaska-Anchorage, Loyola Marymount, Missouri-Kansas City, Pacific, Hawai'i, Hofstra, Marshall, and Cal.

I think the tournament has suffered from the addition of more tournaments in Hawai'i and Puerto Rico, which are also exempt events.

It wasn't too long ago when there was a Duke-Cincinnati final.

2006-11-25 23:31:24
261.   Brendan
2006-11-25 23:32:30
262.   Brendan
I thought I was going to be 160. I can't win tonight. I will cry myself to sleep now.
2006-11-25 23:34:05
263.   Bob Timmermann
I need to teach Brendan and Greg Brock the way to sit through a football beatdown with a feeling of acceptance.

Remember that these things are cyclical. USC won't always be this good. Just be patient. USC will only keep up this level of play for another 3-5 years.

2006-11-25 23:34:31
264.   Greg Brock
254 You root for Southern Cal to beat Notre Dame.

Although I understand, I really have nothing to say to you.

You're the UCLA grad that defies description. I'll just accept it and move on.

2006-11-25 23:35:56
265.   Bob Timmermann
I suppose you don't want to know that USC sent flowers to my mother's funeral either.
2006-11-25 23:36:59
266.   Bill Crain
264 Bob's a man of reason. He even worries about Tommy Tuberville and Urban Meyer.
2006-11-25 23:40:27
267.   Bob Timmermann
I look at hating Notre Dame as the Michael play. It's strategic and has a view beyond local concerns.

Hating USC is the Sonny play. It's emotional.

But if you go off half-cocked trying to beat USC, you'll end up getting riddled with bullets at the toll booth.

And James Caan was on the sidelines! Bob Davie was star-struck!

2006-11-25 23:40:48
268.   Greg Brock
265 You have personal reasons that dictate your rooting interests. I can't fight that.

Southern Cal is a football factory. Chauncey Washington was a marijuana smoking failure who got into USC. That's what USC is. I can handle losing to USC, as long as we never sell our soul.

2006-11-25 23:44:04
269.   Bill Crain
In the movie Michael said it wasn't personal; it was just business.

In the book Michael said of course it was personal; all business and everything else is personal.

We report. You decide.

2006-11-25 23:47:10
270.   Bob Timmermann
To adopt another movie catchphrase:

Forget it Greg, it's Trojantown.

2006-11-25 23:47:23
271.   Greg Brock
How embarrassing is this? Chauncey got eligible because his fellow players read the textbooks, and put them on tape for him to listen to.

USC players can't read. Wow.

2006-11-25 23:48:01
272.   Bill Crain
See if I can remember - UCLA - basketball, I think - some alumnus named Sam - maybe it was Cade McNown's parking permit - yeah, that's the ticket.
2006-11-25 23:48:58
273.   Greg Brock
That's hilarious.
2006-11-25 23:49:50
274.   Bob Timmermann
In big time college athletics, if you're going to get in to a battle of who is morally superior, you're fighting a battle that is going to be bloodier than Gallipoli.
2006-11-25 23:50:05
275.   Bill Crain
We all live in glass houses. It's just that I really hate watching Charlie Weis in his bathroom. Sometimes best to look away.
2006-11-25 23:50:19
276.   Greg Brock
Parking permits = Illiteracy.

Um...Not really the same thing.

2006-11-25 23:51:28
277.   Bob Timmermann
Umm, I'm thinking that an open thread for next week is not a good idea now.
2006-11-25 23:51:39
278.   Bill Crain
No, it isn't is it. Does it have to be?
2006-11-25 23:52:02
279.   Bill Crain
Bob's right again.
2006-11-25 23:53:22
280.   Andrew Shimmin
I think there's a way to come together, here: both phoney parking placards and illiteracy are very funny.
2006-11-25 23:53:48
281.   Greg Brock
I'll just say that I was a little closer to Chauncey's high school career than most people's.

I'll leave it at that.

2006-11-25 23:54:41
282.   Bill Crain
280 Not as funny as Charlie Weis in a glass house. I still don't want to look.
2006-11-25 23:54:45
283.   Greg Brock
Go Spartans.
2006-11-25 23:55:00
284.   Bob Timmermann
To be precise, the parking placards weren't forgeries. They were just obtained fraudulently.
2006-11-26 00:00:42
285.   Bill Crain
That was fun. Now it's tomorrow.
2006-11-26 00:00:43
286.   Bob Timmermann
My CYO team was called the Spartans. I was never sure why my school adopted that name.
2006-11-26 00:03:01
287.   Andrew Shimmin
Finally, we know Brock's true identity: Sherri Campbell, I presume?
2006-11-26 00:04:00
288.   Greg Brock
Southern Cal...

Sure, were gonna lose, but it won't change the hate that burns inside.

Spoiled Children, I hope you all die.

2006-11-26 00:06:52
289.   Bob Timmermann
Even Troy Van Blarcom?
2006-11-26 00:07:28
290.   Bill Crain
Even John Wayne?
2006-11-26 00:08:57
291.   Greg Brock
Bob makes light of a very serious situation.

The hate I have for Southern Cal knows no bounds.

Try not to kill any more women before the game, SC...

2006-11-26 00:10:16
292.   Bill Crain
Bob, I need some help here.
2006-11-26 00:11:37
293.   Bob Timmermann
I just hope that cooler heads will prevail.
2006-11-26 00:12:02
294.   trainwreck
I am a Laker fan so I did not care that the Jazz lost, but I was surprised. I was even more surprised by Matt Barnes scoring 17 points in the 3rd quarter, the exact same number of points the Jazz scored as a team that quarter.

UCLA hopefully new #1 team in the country.

2006-11-26 00:14:04
295.   Greg Brock
We one eight in a row...

Nobody will every be able to take that away from us.

{Total loser UCLA mentality}

2006-11-26 00:14:08
296.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Barnes is still playing in the NBA?
2006-11-26 00:15:05
297.   Greg Brock
I can't even spell "won"

I hate this week.

2006-11-26 00:16:05
298.   Bob Timmermann
You might want to turn in for the night. It will all seem slightly more palatable in the morning.
2006-11-26 00:16:09
299.   Bill Crain
296 The jerk stole David Bluthenthal's job with the Kings.


2006-11-26 00:16:58
300.   Bob Timmermann
David Bluthenthal was in the NBA?

This is a night of spit takes for me.

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2006-11-26 00:17:36
301.   Greg Brock
Nothing brings out the worst in Greg Brock than UCLA/Southern Cal week.

I just become another person. A bad person. A person with horrible thoughts.

It just needs to be over.

2006-11-26 00:17:55
302.   trainwreck
Matt Barnes started and led the Warriors in scoring tonight.
2006-11-26 00:19:59
303.   Bill Crain
300 Released by Sacramento before the season in November, 2004. Now playing in Italy. It really was between him and Barnes at the last cut
2006-11-26 00:25:03
304.   Bob Timmermann
I hope my piece later in the week about USC-UCLA games that I've attended in person won't rankle everybody.
2006-11-26 00:25:30
305.   Andrew Shimmin
I think this is all a rouse to get out of writing the 696 comments he had coming for skipping out on the thread. Well played.
2006-11-26 00:27:49
306.   trainwreck
I would have thought Brock would need some valium to get through a USC game in person.
2006-11-26 00:31:56
307.   Bill Crain
304 Just don't use your real name
2006-11-26 00:36:58
308.   Bob Timmermann
I believe UCLA is 9-6 versus USC when I'm present at the game. I have to double check some game accounts to see if I was actually at the game.
2006-11-26 00:38:43
309.   Andrew Shimmin
Will you be attending this one?
2006-11-26 00:44:20
310.   Bob Timmermann
I plan on it. I just go to the games at the Rose Bowl now. I haven't been to the Coliseum in about 10 years.

Both UCLA and USC have taken to giving the "road" team worse and worse seats each year.

Except at the Rose Bowl, there the UCLA fans just sell the good ones to USC fans.

2006-11-26 03:16:08
311.   Marty
Well, AT&T seems to have decided to only give me internet access between the hours of 3 and 10 a.m. They are officially dead to me after three weeks of this nonsense. Next stop, cable modem!

Greg Brock::USC

By the way, I've never enjoyed an onside kick as much as the one yesterday. Hilarious.

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