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Dear people of Michigan, where's my gift?
2006-12-02 18:00
by Bob Timmermann


A most unlikely score in a Pac-10 game. There had been two 13-6 games in the USC-UCLA series. One won by USC in 1945 and then UCLA returned the favor in 1946. The game in 1945 was in September as USC and UCLA played each other twice that year as travel restrictions made it a lot simpler to schedule someone crosstown rather than crosscountry.

It's the lowest scoring game of the 15 USC-UCLA games I've seen in person. USC beat UCLA 17-13 in 1985.

The last time an unranked UCLA team had beaten a USC team in the top 5 was in 1959. That year, UCLA surprised USC, which was 8-0 at the time and ranked as high as #2 in the country. The Bruins were led by Billy Kilmer at quarterback and he played the game in modified sneakers that helped out an ankle injury he had suffered while umpiring an intramural baseball game (or so it was reported). The game's only touchdown came in the fourth quarter, set up by a controversial 46-yard pass interference penalty against USC on a play that looked to be an interception by Willie Wood. But one of the side officials called one of the other USC defensive backs (there were three on the play) for pass interference. USC Coach Don Clark was perturbed. UCLA banged in a touchdown a few plays later.

USC lost the next week to Notre Dame on the road, 16-6, and Clark was let go at the end of the year and replaced by John McKay. UCLA beat Utah the following week and then hosted #1 Syracuse for the final game of the year. The Orangemen slaughtered the Bruins 36-8.

USC, Washington, and UCLA all tied for the conference title and Washington got the Rose Bowl bid on an athletic directors vote (USC was ineligible to begin with because of NCAA sanctions) and the Huskies beat Wisconsin 44-8 in Pasadena to cap off a 10-1 season.

But enough history. Enjoy the rest of the games tonight. I shall celebrate by ordering a pizza most likely.

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2006-12-02 18:27:26
1.   D4P
I shall celebrate by ordering a pizza most likely

What kind, and where from?

2006-12-02 18:29:48
2.   trainwreck
I kinda want a pizza myself now.
2006-12-02 18:37:02
3.   D4P
One of my hands is typing, and the other is eating pizza
2006-12-02 18:37:25
4.   D4P
Well, my mouth is actually eating the pizza...
2006-12-02 18:38:25
5.   Bob Timmermann
Sausage and mushrooms from Charlie's Trio.
2006-12-02 18:41:03
6.   D4P
Charlie's Trio

Chain or stand-alone?

2006-12-02 18:42:00
7.   Bob Timmermann
There are two of them.
2006-12-02 18:44:42
8.   Strike4
5 Twohey's shake for dessert?
2006-12-02 18:47:30
9.   mehmattski
Well, I can't wait for that Michigan-Florida national semi-final game... oh, wait.
2006-12-02 18:47:34
10.   Bob Timmermann
I have some ice cream in the freezer.
2006-12-02 19:02:39
11.   Greg Brock
We won.
2006-12-02 19:04:35
12.   Greg Brock
I'll check in later, but some friends have come over, and...well, needless to say, we shall get hammered in a celebratory way.

Holy Smokes!

2006-12-02 19:08:32
13.   trainwreck
Get horribly drunk for all of us Brock.
2006-12-02 19:09:25
14.   Greg Brock
13 I won't disappoint.

Trust me.

2006-12-02 19:23:11
15.   Bob Timmermann
USC and Cal ended up tied for the Pac-10 at 7-2.

Oregon State was third at 6-3. UCLA was fourth at 5-4.

2006-12-02 19:26:17
16.   thinkblue88
It must be a golden day in the pizza industry as i also have just finish eating pizza.
2006-12-02 19:36:25
17.   trainwreck
I made fajitas.
2006-12-02 19:53:54
18.   Sam DC
We made quesadillas for dinner. Or, as I like to call them, the folded pizza of the south country.
2006-12-02 19:55:53
19.   Bob Timmermann
I'm saving the other half of the pizza for tomorrow.

Rutgers and West Virginia tied at 23-23 with 21 seconds left. Rutgers has the ball in WV territory.

2006-12-02 20:00:33
20.   Bob Timmermann
Heading to overtime in Morgantown.
2006-12-02 20:08:53
21.   Sam DC
College football overtime rules make my brow violently furrow.
2006-12-02 20:10:53
22.   Bob Timmermann
The Mountaineers strike first with a FG. But the Scarlet Knights can go to the BCS with a TD.
2006-12-02 20:14:01
23.   Bob Timmermann
Double OT in Morgantown!
2006-12-02 20:14:48
24.   Sam DC
Ow, ow. My brow.
2006-12-02 20:16:56
25.   overkill94
If you continuously claim that your huge underdog of an alma mater will win while only being half-serious, does it count as prognostication?
2006-12-02 20:18:06
26.   Bob Timmermann
The Trilateral Commission on Prognostication, headquartered in Alexandria, Egypt, says no.
2006-12-02 20:21:32
27.   Vishal
hahahahah i just woke up to the news. congrats ucla fans on the win.
2006-12-02 20:24:46
28.   Bob Timmermann
Sam's brow furrows even more. TRIPLE OT in Morgantown. 33-33.

Treys are wild!

2006-12-02 20:25:59
29.   Bob Timmermann
To answer Sam's question from DT, West Virginia could have gone for two in the second OT if they so chose.

Now that it's the third, teams MUST go for two after a TD.

2006-12-02 20:26:44
30.   Vishal
btw, the usc news means that cal = co-pac-10 champs, no?
2006-12-02 20:27:45
31.   Bob Timmermann
See 15
2006-12-02 20:29:18
32.   Vishal

too bad those other guys get the rose bowl.

2006-12-02 20:30:36
33.   Sam DC
Thx Bob. I've turned my brow off and am just trying to live in the moment.
2006-12-02 20:31:24
34.   Bob Timmermann
It's not like college football OT is like the double error.
2006-12-02 20:34:34
35.   Sam DC
Wow, actual defense, two plays in a row!
2006-12-02 20:38:35
36.   Bob Timmermann
Everything is coming up Cardinals this year.

Mountaineers win 41-39.

Time to wait for the big OSU-UH game!

2006-12-02 20:39:45
37.   Bob Timmermann
They're playing John Denver in the background at Morgantown.
2006-12-02 20:40:12
38.   adraymond
Yes! Cards win! Kind of.
2006-12-02 20:43:01
39.   Xeifrank
1. I correctly predicted UCLA's point total, but was off by 33 points on SC's.

2. USC should've gone for the 2 point conversion early in the game. With a one point lead, the chart says go for two. Sure, it was early in the game, but in the end it came back to haunt them.

vr, Xei

2006-12-02 20:43:06
40.   Vishal
how long will this assuage the "fire karl dorrell" crowd, i wonder.

also, i have zero interest in a ohio state-michigan rematch. florida would be leaps and bounds better, and i have little but disdain for their entire state.

2006-12-02 20:46:37
41.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe in going for two in the first half under any circumstances. Carroll, and with a hefty degree of optimism, felt that his team was going to score enough points so that it wouldn't make a difference.
2006-12-02 20:49:46
42.   trainwreck
not long
2006-12-02 20:52:15
43.   Bob Timmermann
I checked over at the Bruin Nation website and I wouldn't say the level of discourse right now is high.
2006-12-02 21:12:27
44.   Bob Timmermann
I'm staying up to watch the 'Bows and Beavers. Well, not all that late here in L.A.

It's the last regular season game of the college football season. Bowl season doesn't start until the Poinsettia Bowl kicks off at 5 pm PT on December 19. TCU vs. Northern Illinois!

2006-12-02 21:18:14
45.   Linkmeister
Mild crossup on ESPN, as we were told all day it was gonna be on ESPN2 (UH-OSU, that is).
2006-12-02 21:21:48
46.   Greg Brock
43 There is a time for reasonable discourse, and there is a time for idiotic celebration.

99% you want to be reasonable.

This is the other 1 percent.


2006-12-02 21:23:48
47.   Franklin Stubbs
CONGRATS Bob! What a game from the first defensive stop UCLA had the mojo.

Pizza question: you're on the East side right? Is the Charlie's Trio pizza good? Do you go to the one on Huntington or Main? are you a fan of Casa Bianca? My wife's not a big fan so we end up getting pizza from Round Table on Fair Oaks which is surprisingly good....

Hope you savored every minute of it!

2006-12-02 21:27:05
48.   Bob Timmermann
I went to the Charlies Trio on Huntington. It's near my home.

Casa Bianca has very good pizza, but it's so crowded that you have to prepare for that like a trans-Pacific airplane flight.

The outcome of the game made me forget how horribly managed the gates were at the Rose Bowl today. It took forever to get through the gates. It was shamefully bad. Although the ticket takers (scanners) are dressed in UCLA colors, I'm pretty sure they work for the Rose Bowl. They better get their act together for January 1. The USC fans are going to remember how bad it was today. If they have to put up with mismanaged gates again, there will be hell to pay.

2006-12-02 21:31:10
49.   Franklin Stubbs
I usually do Casa B's take out. The meatball is the only one I've had that is super.

"It's near my home" does that mean it's convenient more than tasty? :-) I'm in Highland Park not too far from there. Used to live in Alhambra. Charlie's has a sports bar section too right?

2006-12-02 21:36:22
50.   Bob Timmermann
Charlie's Trio is very convenient and sufficiently tasty. Casa Bianca is much further away and the difference in quality was not worth it.

Charlie's Trio was full of people decked out in cardinal and blue. Many of them sitting together.

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2006-12-02 21:37:57
51.   Franklin Stubbs
CT always looked like a nice place. Not sure why I've never checked it out. Might have to make that a Dodger game viewing destination. Thanks for the tip Bob.
2006-12-02 21:37:59
52.   Bob Timmermann
For people who watched USC-UCLA at home, how were Musburger and Davie?

Are there any plans to rerun the game outside of the "Bruin Rewind" and "Trojan Rewind" on FSN?

2006-12-02 21:39:35
53.   Bob Timmermann
Charlie's Trio is in a really odd place. They always used to say it was "where South Pasadena and Alhambra meet." Of course, that means it's in Los Angeles and in one of the parts of L.A. that really doesn't have a neighborhood name. It's sort of El Sereno.
2006-12-02 21:43:12
54.   Andrew Shimmin
During the last two minutes, I was shouting at Musburger to shut up, but that was probably more out of habit than because of a true fault on his part. Both disowned the, "USC wasn't prepared because they had their eyes on the title game," school of pop psych, so, at least that.
2006-12-02 21:47:46
55.   Greg Brock
It was a lot of USC love, which is to be expected from ABC. I don't blame them.

I was really mad that almost all the highlights/flashbacks they showed were pro-Southern Cal. That bothered me.

The road to Glendale is paved with Trojans:

A) That's gross
B) Wrong, Brent

2006-12-02 21:48:03
56.   Bob Timmermann
On the way home, my friend and I were in the car listening to the radio. At first we turned on 570, which is the UCLA station. Then I asked, "So, Radio Schadenfreude?" He agreed and I punched 710, the USC station.
2006-12-02 21:49:26
57.   trainwreck
I did not hate them that bad. Brent had some USC sucks up moments. They also said crazy things like this is exactly where UCLA fans want to be when we were losing. But they gave us a lot of credit.
2006-12-02 21:49:44
58.   Bob Timmermann
I'm still trying to figure out how UCLA won the game. Or more importantly, how in the world did USC just score nine points?


And ABC cancelled "The Nine".

2006-12-02 21:52:44
59.   Jon Weisman
52 - In the portions of the game I saw, they were almost astonishingly awful. I don't have anything in particular against Musburger, but he was just blabbering. I didn't feel like they said one helpful thing.
2006-12-02 21:52:52
60.   Andrew Shimmin
57- Yeah, but the, "right where they want to be," bit was Dorrell's line. They riffed on it, instead of explaining why it was dumb, but the primary source deserves most of the blame.
2006-12-02 21:53:53
61.   Jon Weisman
58 - Hiatus, baby.
2006-12-02 21:55:16
62.   Greg Brock
61 Twin Peaks is on hiatus.
2006-12-02 21:55:28
63.   Bob Timmermann
But I was on a roll there.

It's very windy at Aloha Stadium.

2006-12-02 22:03:56
64.   trainwreck
Fantomas cover of Twin Peaks song, fabulous.
2006-12-02 22:07:52
65.   Bob Timmermann
Quick preview from my brother about the Men's College Cup Final between UCLA and UCSB:

Bet on the Bruins to win. The Gauchos are too banged up and can't score. UCLA scores a lot.

UCLA won two football games by 4 today.

2006-12-02 22:10:59
66.   Andrew Shimmin
Is throwing trash on the field a Hawaii tradition?
2006-12-02 22:15:24
67.   Bob Timmermann
Aloha Stadium has sort of a 1970s Candlestick Park look to it.

Except warmer.

2006-12-02 22:17:00
68.   Bob Timmermann
I hate this aspect of NY Times style.


U.C.L.A. Brings Down U.S.C., and Opens Door to Title Game

Get rid of those periods in UCLA and USC!

2006-12-02 22:18:52
69.   D4P
Does The NY Times put periods in "NY" (e.g. N.Y.)...?
2006-12-02 22:20:14
70.   Bob Timmermann
One of its sections is called "N.Y./Region"
2006-12-02 22:21:20
71.   trainwreck
UCSB may be hungover so that may hurt them.
2006-12-02 22:23:49
72.   Greg Brock
If we beat the Nachos and take title #100, I may have to take Monday off.

Meh. It's only World War I. The kids can just skip it. Kidding!

2006-12-02 22:24:04
73.   Bob Timmermann
There are no LA area reporters in St. Louis, but there are TWO reporters from the troubled Santa Barbara News Press covering the event.

UCSB has won one NCAA championship in school history. It was in men's water polo.

2006-12-02 22:25:15
74.   Bob Timmermann
You've gotten all the way to World War I? How did you manage that? Did you skip a bunch of chapters?

17 years of schooling and I don't think my teachers ever could get past World War I.

Who won that one anyway?

2006-12-02 22:26:01
75.   bhsportsguy
I spent 13 hours out in Pasadena today, Bob I leave this to you, what was the most likely sporting moment I would witness this year:

1. UCLA upsets USC on the McPick*
2. 4 straight homers in the bottom of the 9th at Chavez Ravine.

*Brandon Huffman on Bruin Report Online came up with this nickname.

And to answer your question in 52, ESPN Classic will be showing the game as an Instant Classic tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. PST.

2006-12-02 22:26:52
76.   bhsportsguy
72 I think you can safely go outside, I just got home and hell did not freeze over.
2006-12-02 22:32:49
77.   Greg Brock
74 I push the hell out of my students. I have a timetable, and they deal with it.

I use lots of multimedia, crack lots of jokes, and am very friendly, which tricks them into thinking that they're in a relaxing class. Most other teachers are barely to WWI, and I'm almost through it.

When kids like you, you can punish them and they don't even know it!

2006-12-02 22:37:22
78.   Bob Timmermann
The Instant Classic today should have been the ACC championship game!
2006-12-02 22:50:11
79.   Greg Brock
John Barnes is safe, but this game has easily slid into the number two slot.

Despite the 53 heart attacks I had during the game, it's number two for me.

2006-12-02 22:53:48
80.   Bill Crain
Musburger. . . was just blabbering. I didn't feel like they said one helpful thing

Says it all. Chris Schenkel with Alzheimer's.

Big win for us today, though, over crosstown rival: crushed LMU 67-50. OJ is coming soon!

Okay. Pile on.

2006-12-02 22:54:53
81.   D4P
At least in college sports, I've reached the point as a fan where I prefer my rival to win the rivalry game if it means much more to their team than it does to mine.

But I'll be darned if I ever root for the 49ers vs. the Rams...

2006-12-02 23:04:37
82.   Greg Brock
Brennan is a hell of a quarterback.
2006-12-02 23:04:46
83.   Bob Timmermann
2,479 hearty souls at the Galen Center tonight. I watched part of the game on FSN. Paul Westphal sounded like he was drugged.
2006-12-02 23:14:51
84.   Greg Brock
You're kidding. 2,500 for a basketball game?

You're kidding.

2006-12-02 23:18:17
85.   bhsportsguy
84 They have drawn at least 2 crowds smaller than that one.
2006-12-02 23:18:27
86.   Bill Crain
83 Actually, Paul is getting a little better. I don't think he knows where to find the microphone, which would account for the intermittent muttering. Nothing explains the laugh.
2006-12-02 23:25:48
87.   trainwreck
So early in Hawaii.
2006-12-02 23:27:53
88.   trainwreck
I told my girlfriend about guys crying with joy over UCLA's win. She said that's hot.
2006-12-02 23:31:03
89.   D4P
Sounds like you need to squeeze out a few tears yourself...
2006-12-02 23:32:04
90.   trainwreck
Doesn't work for me, I would just get made fun of.
2006-12-02 23:37:58
91.   trainwreck
I am trying to make her a UCLA fan. She has become a Dodger fan, but that is more to do with Andre Ethier than me.
2006-12-02 23:46:02
92.   trainwreck
If you have a Scout account you can watch the post game celebration of the UCLA game.
2006-12-02 23:52:53
93.   trainwreck
Drew Olson was there.
2006-12-02 23:56:04
94.   Bob Timmermann
I don't need to watch online as I was there.

But I'm part of the TV generation, I experience neither highs nor lows.

2006-12-03 00:01:49
95.   trainwreck
I want a Rainbow Warriors come back!
2006-12-03 00:04:32
96.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA drew a crowd of 832 for its second round women's volleyball NCAA tournament game on campus.
2006-12-03 00:06:16
97.   trainwreck
Still beats an Atlanta Hawks game.
2006-12-03 00:15:33
98.   trainwreck
Poor Rainbow Warriors.
2006-12-03 00:19:29
99.   Bob Timmermann
I had a feeling this wouldn't be UH's night. The Pac-10 tends to give them trouble.
2006-12-03 00:22:12
100.   Greg Brock
I would like to take this opportunity to say that UCLA defeated Southern Cal.

The 100th post needed to be that. I just needed to be.

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2006-12-03 00:23:00
101.   Bob Timmermann
By my count, UH is 12-31 alltime against Pac-10 teams, although some of the games against the Arizona schools were before they joined the conference.
2006-12-03 00:24:50
102.   trainwreck
Brock is surprisingly coherent.
2006-12-03 00:28:36
103.   Bob Timmermann
Ivan Maisel of has a good analysis of the USC-UCLA game.

The LA Times stories are uninspiring.

2006-12-03 00:29:35
104.   trainwreck
UCLA possibly killed the BCS.
2006-12-03 00:29:51
105.   trainwreck
Haha I was just reading that.
2006-12-03 00:32:09
106.   Bob Timmermann
Originally, the LA Times website had a headline on Plaschke's column and a link on the front page that read "Did USC Quit?"

It's been changed to "UCLA slings seven years of outrageous misfortune at USC". Plaschke quotes Rodney Van as saying he thought USC quit and that's all and pretty much everyone on USC denies (and likely everyone on UCLA not named Rodney Van would too).

2006-12-03 00:33:27
107.   trainwreck
I hate Bill Plaschke.
2006-12-03 00:34:59
108.   Greg Brock
Southern Cal quit. Southern Cal didn't quit. Southern Cal created the Polio Vaccine. Southern Cal wrote the Zimmerman Telegram.

Don't really care. We won. They lost.

2006-12-03 00:36:30
109.   Bob Timmermann
Herr Zimmermann spelled his name in a fashion similar to me.
2006-12-03 00:36:50
110.   Greg Brock
I was going to write comment that included the invective "Suck it," but I realized that would be in poor taste.

Just imagine that I wrote something like that. I wouldn't, but just imagine it. It would feel really good.

2006-12-03 00:37:35
111.   Greg Brock
Sorry Bob. The double n's always kill me.
2006-12-03 00:38:06
112.   trainwreck
Yes, yes. Drown me in the sweet water of your envy.
2006-12-03 00:52:20
113.   Greg Brock
In a few short hours, I will wake up. The coffee maker will have already brewed me a nice, steaming pot of colombian blend. The electric blanket will have kept me warm. Meet the Press will be on TV. My neighbors will have forgiven my primal screams.

The only thing that beats this night is the thought that Sunday brings nothing but joy.

We beat the Trojans. I love my life.

2006-12-03 04:11:01
114.   Sam DC
Ryan Zimmerman -- one n. (Well, two, total, but you get the idea.)
2006-12-03 04:31:26
115.   Sam DC
What a poor column on Mitchell's investigation by Selena Roberts (Times Select, I think, we get the Sunday paper). Loaded with slurs, calls the MLBPA a "secret society" and speculates that Cal's endurance may have been caused by steroids (based on ?).

And she expends exactly no words on the player's side of why they may be reluctant to cooperate with this investigation, which is after all a creature of the Commissioner's office and whose purpose and goals are pretty hard to know.

(Not saying they shouldn't cooperate or that Mitchell does not have a noble agenda, but its certainly a complicated set of issues.)

I think I need to be more like Greg Brock.

2006-12-03 04:47:06
116.   Sam DC
This, on the other hand, from Murray Chass, is perfect:

"In their quest to remake their relief corps, the Orioles snatched Bradford from the Mets. 'This was such a good fit that the choice was easy,' Bradford said, not saying, but meaning, that the Orioles gave him a much better offer than the Mets."

2006-12-03 07:25:39
117.   Marty
Just got back on line. Congratulations to all the Bruin fans out there (thee's only one or two, right?). Just a dominating defensive performance. This is why rivalries are good.

Intertesting pizza talk too. I had Casa Bianca pizza last night. It is the best pizza in L.A. in my opinion. Get the sausage and garlic. They make their own sausage and that is what puts them over the top. It's really laced with anise, which I like. You have to wait though. We ordered three pizzas to go and it took an hour. They'll call you when it's ready however, so if you live fairly close, as a friend of mine does, it works out.

2006-12-03 11:50:50
118.   overkill94
Ahhh, what a feeling. I did not share the amount of enthusiasm that my friend did, however, when he would randomly shout out "Go Bruins!" at Busby's last night and start a conversation with whoever responded.

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