Well, they aren't playing any more games after this one this season are they?
The Division 1-A season started on August 31, 2006 when Boston College faced off against Central Michigan in Mount Pleasant, Michigan. The Eagles won 31-24.
And on January 8, 2006, the season ends with Florida facing Ohio State in Glendale, Arizona at University of Phoenix Stadium.
Is there University of Phoenix campus near your home? I think it's in 39 states, along with Puerto Rico and Canada.
Ohio State is now facing its largest deficit of the season, 14 points. They only gave up more than 17 points once, that was their last game against Michigan.
Phil Fulmer is shady because he graduates 9% of his players, recruits players hard after they've verballed to other schools, he uses his vote in the coaches poll as a weapon against coaches he dislikes, and casts players aside when they can no longer help him run his dirty program. He is not a good human being.
He also ranked Michigan fourth in the ballot the year they went undefeated. The national championship was split because of his vote, giving another title to Tom Osborne as a going away present. Because dirty coaches take care of one another.
I have Florida with a 4-3 record against Big 10 teams in bowls, not counting the 1962 Gator Bowl win over Penn State since the Nittany Lions weren't in the Big 10 then.
My best friend despises Fulmer and now I know why. Would you still support UCLA if you knew you had a dirty but successful coach or do we have dirty and unsuccessful coaches?
26 Never in a million years. I would stop rooting for UCLA if they became one of those programs. I'm fine with being a consistent top 25 team and making a run at a title once every fifteen years or so. I don't expect to be elite, and wouldn't want to compromise the school's image for it.
Mike Dubose at Alabama was dirty and unsuccessful.
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Red Sanders was successful at UCLA, but he ran afoul of NCAA and conference rules at times. But there was a season when most of the PCC was on probation. UCLA and USC were handing out cash left and right.
34 If the betrayal of Jesus was a necessary condition for the crucifixion and resurrection, than Judas was given a difficult task by his boss and carried it out. Right?
Archer's publisher, Macmillan, said the book imagines Judas as a politician who betrays Jesus not for money, but because of the belief he is an ineffective leader unable to challenge the authority of the Romans. Unlike the Gospels, Judas does not kill himself but instead survives and recounts his story to a son — the narrator of Archer's book.
2128 I don't have Fulmer on a pedestal. He has limitations, IMO. And I don't claim to be as up on this stuff as I was at one time.
But I've read the UT football graduation rate is improving; not sure it was ever as low as you cite. IMO, graduation rates at any school which feeds the NFL are a bit misleading, since quite a few players leave early and thus don't graduate. For that matter many don't come to college to get a degree, whatever the merits of that. For me it's lack of merit; many of them think they're sure shots for the NFL. Reality says otherwise.
A few come back to graduate after pro careers. But no doubt there's room for improvement in grad rates in almost all big-time college football programs.
Bob, doesn't your favorite team in South Bend graduate all or almost all its players?
Also, Slate has run articles on why diving is good for soccer; why AAU basketball should replace NCAA basketball (it's purer!); and countless pieces on why various classics of literature are crap.
I'm watching "The White Rapper Show" on VH1 right now, not because there's much chance of me enjoying it, but because one of the contestants ("Misfit") is a friend of a friend.
In big-time college football, I don't know of any coach who won't keep trying after a player they want has verbally committed elsewhere, if he thinks he has any chance. At one time they didn't, at least not like now.
The voting issue I can't speak to. A lot of times things like that are influenced by sectional rivalries (if I don't vote teams from my area higher than I really think they deserve, they won't rank where they should since voters from other parts of the country will vote them lower, etc.) Also coaches aren't very familiar with teams they don't see or play and don't have time during the season to get familiar with them.
I think you can make a strong argument that coaches shouldn't have a poll. They have plenty to do otherwise; of course they'd see that as a threat and be against it.
hehe, yeah i saw it and the resultant controversy on DT. i'm not saying they're completely immune to their deep-seated contrarian impulses, but the quality of the articles has steadily improved, and they're not all like the john wooden piece. but they should've known better than put up an article that elicits a Timmermann Grudge™. i sure know i wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those.
Oh, um, wait, I thought that after that halftime it was already April.
I have no real loyalty here, but I kind of have to root against Florida because my sister's ex-husband went to Miami and her dumping him kind of sent him into a tailspin.
Fulmer, last take (now you all really ARE thrilled; I can tell.)
Do you have specific players you think Fulmer has cast aside?
He has a reputation as a players' coach, one of the biggest assets he has in his greatest strength, recruiting.
I'm not aware of anyone dismissed unfairly. In fact, the program probably would be on better footing now if Fulmer had suspended or booted a few more than what he has--the ones who sometimes color the Knoxville police blotter orange.
I said at the start I don't have him on a pedestal. He has been a great recruiter, which supposedly is 80% of winning (kind of like pitching is supposed to be 80% of baseball...where did those percentages come from, anyhow?)
But as an innovator or stragegist or game coach I don't think he's upper echelon. Former coach Johnny Majors once said of Fulmer's coaching, "if it required genius, it wouldn't happen at UT." Majors may have reason to be bitter, but what he said has merit.
I'll throw in a joke, which can be adapted to fill in the names of your favorite public or private football school. Then I probably will be quiet. (Once again, readers ARE thrilled!)
How many Vanderbilt players does it take to change a flat tire?
I saw that Giants game, but I didn't notice that play there in this getting whistled dead before the tackle. Did it? He seemed to run a good 7 or 8 yards to make that tackle.
I don't want to turn this into a Fulmer threadjack. I'll just say that there is plenty to read about around the tubes and you are more than welcome to do it. Every account of the man reflects a repugnant human being. And the graduation rate was actually 11 percent. I stand corrected.
I am probably not the only person around here who probably (I don't remember for sure) saw Hendrickson play hoops for the Cougs. How weird to think that he went on from that to become a pitcher for the Dodgers...
Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
50 day layoff is bizarre. Anything over 2-3 weeks off is bizarre. The whole system is bizarre. We need a playoff system.
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vr, Xei
Per earlier comments, Judas is "hot" right now. See:
The Lost Gospel: The Quest for the Gospel of Judas Iscariot, by Herbert Krosney, Bart D. Ehrman
and it's companion
The Gospel of Judas, by National Geographic Society
that discuss a recently-translated Gnostic gospel claiming that Judas was actually performing an act of obedience, that Jesus had instructed him to commit his act of betrayal. We now return you to the football chat.
65 Not looking to argue, and I won't be commenting further on this. But this link to an '06 AP story says national 1A football grad rate 66%, Tennessee's 58%.
http://tinyurl.com/y8g3z6
Grad rates are kind of like political polls; they can be all over the map depending on who's counted, what period is measured, etc. I think the formula has been refigured at least once.
I did find one source giving UT a 38% rate for '05 and 41% for '04.
Florida: 20
Ohio State: 37
vr, Xei
Ohio St 21
Ohio State 20
I'm going with 24.
Down by the riverside, its bound to be a better ride
Than what youve got planned
I've not seen this ref however or I guess I just don't remember him.
Phil Fulmer is shady because he graduates 9% of his players, recruits players hard after they've verballed to other schools, he uses his vote in the coaches poll as a weapon against coaches he dislikes, and casts players aside when they can no longer help him run his dirty program. He is not a good human being.
Ohio State record vs. SEC in bowls==
0-7
That includes two losses to South Carolina!
But 3-9 last 12...
Mike Dubose at Alabama was dirty and unsuccessful.
So whatchour saying is you might do it in 1,000,001 years...
Red Sanders was successful at UCLA, but he ran afoul of NCAA and conference rules at times. But there was a season when most of the PCC was on probation. UCLA and USC were handing out cash left and right.
4-13 on field goals? Gadzooks. Of course he nails a perfect kick.
And then there is "swagger"
You're sounding very Slate-ish there. Be careful.
I read today that Jeffrey Archer is writing a book stating that Judas Iscariot wasn't a bad guy and got a bad rap.
I fully expected that to be a Slate aritcle. Maybe something like "Why Jesus really hates your guts and wants you to suffer and why that's good!"
Well, certainly modern society can't condemn a guy for having his actions dictated by money. That's pretty much what our culture is all about.
Plus, he repented before killing himself and threw the silver coins back in the religious leaders' faces.
Archer's publisher, Macmillan, said the book imagines Judas as a politician who betrays Jesus not for money, but because of the belief he is an ineffective leader unable to challenge the authority of the Romans. Unlike the Gospels, Judas does not kill himself but instead survives and recounts his story to a son — the narrator of Archer's book.
But I've read the UT football graduation rate is improving; not sure it was ever as low as you cite. IMO, graduation rates at any school which feeds the NFL are a bit misleading, since quite a few players leave early and thus don't graduate. For that matter many don't come to college to get a degree, whatever the merits of that. For me it's lack of merit; many of them think they're sure shots for the NFL. Reality says otherwise.
A few come back to graduate after pro careers. But no doubt there's room for improvement in grad rates in almost all big-time college football programs.
Bob, doesn't your favorite team in South Bend graduate all or almost all its players?
You must have missed the "John Wooden is evil" article they ran last month.
In big-time college football, I don't know of any coach who won't keep trying after a player they want has verbally committed elsewhere, if he thinks he has any chance. At one time they didn't, at least not like now.
The voting issue I can't speak to. A lot of times things like that are influenced by sectional rivalries (if I don't vote teams from my area higher than I really think they deserve, they won't rank where they should since voters from other parts of the country will vote them lower, etc.) Also coaches aren't very familiar with teams they don't see or play and don't have time during the season to get familiar with them.
I think you can make a strong argument that coaches shouldn't have a poll. They have plenty to do otherwise; of course they'd see that as a threat and be against it.
They also didn't hire me to be The Explainer!
Oh, um, wait, I thought that after that halftime it was already April.
I have no real loyalty here, but I kind of have to root against Florida because my sister's ex-husband went to Miami and her dumping him kind of sent him into a tailspin.
When the UCLA band played "O Fortuna" from "Carmina Burana", they called it "The theme from 'Gladiator'".
I wept.
What's even worse is I don't even remember it being in that film.
Do you have specific players you think Fulmer has cast aside?
He has a reputation as a players' coach, one of the biggest assets he has in his greatest strength, recruiting.
I'm not aware of anyone dismissed unfairly. In fact, the program probably would be on better footing now if Fulmer had suspended or booted a few more than what he has--the ones who sometimes color the Knoxville police blotter orange.
I said at the start I don't have him on a pedestal. He has been a great recruiter, which supposedly is 80% of winning (kind of like pitching is supposed to be 80% of baseball...where did those percentages come from, anyhow?)
But as an innovator or stragegist or game coach I don't think he's upper echelon. Former coach Johnny Majors once said of Fulmer's coaching, "if it required genius, it wouldn't happen at UT." Majors may have reason to be bitter, but what he said has merit.
If the ball carrier loses his helmet, the play is blown dead in college ball.
But not in the NFL. Shockey ran a few yards without a helmet yesterday.
How many Vanderbilt players does it take to change a flat tire?
Two. One to mix drinks. One to call daddy.
How many UT players does it take?
Just one. But he gets three hours credit.
Apparently a tackler's head isn't as important as the tacklee.
Keeping Florida from scoring is good for Ohio State, but Florida can trade 3-and-outs all night now.
In volleyball terms, Florida can play a side out game from now on.
No Top-25 rankings during Hendrickson's tenure...?
I believe they went to the NIT once during that time.
Wazzu has 14 wins, the most they've had in 10 years.
Idaho has moved up to I-A.
Idaho State was the basketball team that got Gene Bartow to quit.
I remembered Hendrickson as a basketball player. He was pretty good and there weren't many other good players surrounding him.
http://tinyurl.com/ycpsrn
Good stuff
Marty will disagree with you.
Vehemently.
Yes, there's a lot out there to read. Some of it is actually factual. Much just isn't.
But I follow UT closely enough to know that Fulmer's not a "repugnant human being."
If you'd care to e-mail me something you think proves he is, I'm willing to take a look.
twerpus972@yahoo.com
I'm hearing Neil Young's plaintive cries about the state of Ohio watching that sack.
Marty
OK, Cadillac has gone too far now. Using an Iggy Pop song to sell their cars.
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
Oh, I meant "American Dream".
CLASSIC! ;-)
The last time?
It will be the first time.
UCLA and Kentucky haven't exactly been piling up championships in football.
vr, Xei
Kentucky won in basketball in 1951.
Oh oh, did they win? Huh? Did they?
http://XeiOnSports.blogspot.com/
vr, Xei
The Lost Gospel: The Quest for the Gospel of Judas Iscariot, by Herbert Krosney, Bart D. Ehrman
and it's companion
The Gospel of Judas, by National Geographic Society
that discuss a recently-translated Gnostic gospel claiming that Judas was actually performing an act of obedience, that Jesus had instructed him to commit his act of betrayal. We now return you to the football chat.
http://tinyurl.com/y8g3z6
Grad rates are kind of like political polls; they can be all over the map depending on who's counted, what period is measured, etc. I think the formula has been refigured at least once.
I did find one source giving UT a 38% rate for '05 and 41% for '04.
"Why we shouldn't cure AIDS"
"Cancer is good for you"
"Mark Twain: Hack writer"
"Why the Police Academy series should have won Oscars"
vr, Xei
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