You can chat here about the NCAA basketball tournament. I'll likely run a contest (with the help of bhsportsguy) that will have a prize worth a sum somewhere between $0 and $0. But I promise to put the winner's name on the sidebar!
I actually watched about a quarter of a 49ers game this year, mainly because I was so amazed it was on TV, especially up here (ESPN2).
It's weird to see them as "LBSU" on the broadcast scoreboard. On campus, it's always "CSULB." I think they moved away from the former moniker sometime around the late-80s/early-90s.
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I would only use the seeding differences in the first four rounds.
And we would need settle the question of points for "adjacent seeds" especially for the four 8-9 games. If a win by 9 is worth two points, everyone will take the 9 team because it is worth more and likely to lose in the next round anyway.
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I would only use the seeding differences in the first four rounds.
And we would need settle the question of points for "adjacent seeds" especially for the four 8-9 games. If a win by 9 is worth two points, everyone will take the 9 team because it is worth more and likely to lose in the next round anyway.
They appear to have done a fine job except for Stanford over Drexel, which cannot be justified under any criteria the committee claims it uses to decide who should be in the tournament.
According to the Princeton guy running the committee, the Trees were in over Syracuse because of the Pac-10's round-robin schedule. The Bruins lost their #1 seed by showing up Thursday to play Cal.
VCU is like a less talented version of Oregon. Very small and quick. Duke has problems with those types of players, but their size should get them the win.
If the choice was between Stanford and Syracuse, then the Committee should have just drawn a circle in the parking lot, jumped out the window, and if a majority landed in the circle, Stanford was in, and if not, Syracuse was in.
I'm waiting for Jim Boeheim to come out and graciously accept the reality of Syracuse not making the tournament. Boeheim is always a friendly and amiable sort...
73 - Yeah, sadly Mason didn't get it together until the CAA tourney, where they beat Hofstra and ODU. They were going to beat VCU but blew a 5 point lead at the last minute.
[77] hah, i didn't really need any more reason to hate on stanford, but hey, why not blame them for screwing syracuse? the cardinal didn't deserve to get in.
Because both Drexel and Air Force (at least) deserved to get in over both of them. Given that Drexel beat Syracuse and Air Force beat Stanford's JV team. Oh, that wasn't their JV team?
Air Force was 5-4 against teams that made the NCAA tournament.
They beat Stanford, Texas Tech, George Washington, UNLV, and Long Beach State. They lost to BYU twice, UNLV, and Duke.
Drexel was 1-5 against teams in the NCAA tournament. They beat Villanova and lost to VCU twice, Old Dominion twice, and Penn.
Drexel beat Vermont, St. Joe's, Villanova, Syracuse, Temple, and Creighton on the road, all places that UCLA players couldn't find on a map, much less go and play there.
Well, I have digressed in any event. UCLA's marquee non-conference road win may be against Chaminade, but it is Stanford and its triple digit RPI that is the real Enemy Of The People here.
122. if that's the case, they need to drop the West/East etc... disclaimer. Perhaps Disney could sponor the tournament and we could have the four brackets renamed to "Mickey Mouse", "Goofey", "Pluto" and "Donald Duck" brackets. That way if you forget where you parked your car, it's easy to find. Oh wait, I was talking about brackets, not the Disney parking lot.
vr, Xei
After the first two rounds, then the teams go to a site that is more or less regional.
The NCAA stopped placing teams strictly by geography a while ago.
The last couple years, the regions were just referred to by the name of the host city. E.g., UCLA won the Oakland Regional last year. But this they went back to points on the compass because it's easier to remember.
And yes, I know compasses don't have a "Midwest" direction.
steve, why exactly do you hate ucla? sure, they may not have scheduled a ton of tough road games, but they made it to the NCAA finals last year, and this year they were at the top of the standings in arguably the deepest and most competitive conference. they're legitimately a good team.
I don't hate UCLA. Last year they played in the worst bracket of the worst tournament in modern memory, and this year apparently couldn't deign to schedule more than one game in another team's home gym, which it then promptly lost. Nothing personal. They just happen to come up a lot because there are a lot of UCLA fans present and accounted for.
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True Non-conference Road Records of #1 Seeds
Florida - 0-1 (loss at Fla. State), 4 other non-conference away games were on neutral sites.
Ohio State - 0-2 (losses at Florida and North Carolina), one other non-conference away game at a neutral site.
North Carolina - 2-0 (wins at Saint Louis and Arizona), 4 other non-conference games at neutral sites.
Kansas - 1-1 (loss at DePaul, win at South Carolina), 3 other non-conference games at neutral sites.
Wisconsin only had one true non-conference road game.
Not defending UCLA's schedule but as folks can see, the number one seeds were not exactly leaving their home arenas much either.
128 The only people who would argue that the Pac-10 was the deepest, most competitive conference are people who never saw an ACC or a Big XII game this year. The Pac-10 is the fifth conference, at best, by any measure.
Inflammatory, on a board full of west-coast-bias fans? Sure. But also correct. Visit www.kenpom.com and then tell me that the Pac-10 is the #1 conference.
116. Drexel was 2-5 against tournament teams as they also beat Creighton on the road.
I also believe that I have everyone on the board beat in terms of when I started hating Florida after last year's Sweet 16 game Stupid Corey Brewer hitting a shot from his knees to win the game.
As funny as it is that Syracuse missed the tournament, my favorite exclusion is UConn from the NIT.
135. The Big 12? Seriously? They only got 42% of their teams in the Pomeroy top 50 compared to 50% for the Pac-10. Given that I have to watch a lot of Big 12 games whenever I'm with family (parents teach at MU and all of my cousins went to TAMU), I'd have to say that is the worst thing I have ever heard. Outside of the Big 10, I'm not sure that there was a less competitive conference out there for the top teams.
[135] well, i said arguably, and there is a good argument. the ACC's a top conference too, but my point was that 6 of the 10 teams in the pac-10 are in the tournament, and washington wasn't too far from going as well, perhaps had it won an additional game in the conference tourney. at one point late in the season, 5 pac-10 teams were in the top 25. there were only really 2 bad teams in the conference last year, as there were in the ACC. you can argue the ACC is slightly
better, but it's not like the pac-10 is some patsy conference.
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Florida - Midwest
North Carolina - East
Ohio State - South
Kansas - West
Unless you think Winthrop can beat Notre Dame, which would make me very happy.
Because that one'd be a nailbiter for sure.
Wish I knew something about roundball.
Wish I knew something about roundball.
How is North Carolina a #1 in a weak ACC?
The winner will get Texas or New Mexico State.
They should be enjoying the NIT. Any good nonconference team they played, they lost to, with the exception of Penn.
1) Nevada along with UNLV
2) Texas A&M (College Station) and Texas A&M Corpus Christi
The 49ers won the Big West last night, coming from way back against Cal Poly SLO.
Is there a corresponding term for one's current school?
I actually watched about a quarter of a 49ers game this year, mainly because I was so amazed it was on TV, especially up here (ESPN2).
It's weird to see them as "LBSU" on the broadcast scoreboard. On campus, it's always "CSULB." I think they moved away from the former moniker sometime around the late-80s/early-90s.
1st Round - 1 point (32 points max)*
2nd Round - 2 points (32 points max)*
3rd Round - 4 points (32 points max)*
4th Round - 8 points (32 points max)*
5th Round - 16 points (32 points max)*
6th Round - Final 32 points
*Seed differential points, if you pick a 12 seed to beat a 5, you get 7 more points.
Tiebreaker - Final Score prediction
What does everyone think?
I would only use the seeding differences in the first four rounds.
And we would need settle the question of points for "adjacent seeds" especially for the four 8-9 games. If a win by 9 is worth two points, everyone will take the 9 team because it is worth more and likely to lose in the next round anyway.
I would only use the seeding differences in the first four rounds.
And we would need settle the question of points for "adjacent seeds" especially for the four 8-9 games. If a win by 9 is worth two points, everyone will take the 9 team because it is worth more and likely to lose in the next round anyway.
Ooopps
I'm thinking Steve and Bob might get that joke, maybe, but I don't know that anyone else will.
I don't know if they still have that painted on the baselines at their home court.
Haven't seen much of Duke this year. Can they even beat VCU?
According to the Princeton guy running the committee, the Trees were in over Syracuse because of the Pac-10's round-robin schedule. The Bruins lost their #1 seed by showing up Thursday to play Cal.
I like that they went back to the old names of "West" and "East", etc.
My "Oakland Regional Champion" t-shirt is now a relic.
Translation: They ran lines. Many lines. Many, many lines.
Collison: "Yes, sir."
I applied for jobs at both of those schools*!!!
*I haven't heard back yet, and it has been a long time...
"I do not pay attention to the pundits, but every single one I heard had us in."
Sorry, Jim.
You'll enjoy the NIT.
I am surprised that he didn't change in to a jacket and tie.
PSHAW! Oregon beat both UCLA and Georgetown, and yet who got the 2 seeds and who got the 3...?
"We should have won more games."
But if Oregon did beat Florida, I would gladly spend a week in Oregon. Maybe even two.
I really hate this Florida team. They are quickly approaching the level of hatred I reserve for Notre Dame football teams.
Noah has got to be the biggest punk in college basketball in years.
And since Florida already won in football, the state of Florida would be insufferable.
Save us Obi-Wan Kent, you're our only hope!
I thought we agreed that a win over Notre Dame was good enough for a northerly trip...?
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Yea, nobody is worse than Appleby.
I have two schools (Penn, UCLA)
Is that UPenn or Penn State?
Did Steve go to UNLV? If so, does he happen to run a hotel?
I can't believe that Washington didn't make the NIT. Pretty hilarious.
Oregon in the Elite 8? I don't know about that. Do you really think they could beat Wisconsin? I don't.
I'd love to see Arizona beat Florida. I can't stand that team, especially Noah. It is hard to root against a guy like Corey Brewer though.
And the people making the selections said they worked with a lot more subjectivity than the NCAA tournament would.
There's also the problem that Washington wasn't very good.
well, i'd have liked to see them in it.
But think how much people in upstate New York will be excited about Niagara!
They beat Stanford, Texas Tech, George Washington, UNLV, and Long Beach State. They lost to BYU twice, UNLV, and Duke.
Drexel was 1-5 against teams in the NCAA tournament. They beat Villanova and lost to VCU twice, Old Dominion twice, and Penn.
syracuse also finished above villanova in the big east...
e.g., 1, 8, 9, 16 or 4, 5, 12, 13
The highest seed in that group is placed close to home if possible. It's designed to reduce travel for teams and fans in the opening rounds.
vr, Xei
The NCAA stopped placing teams strictly by geography a while ago.
The last couple years, the regions were just referred to by the name of the host city. E.g., UCLA won the Oakland Regional last year. But this they went back to points on the compass because it's easier to remember.
And yes, I know compasses don't have a "Midwest" direction.
True Non-conference Road Records of #1 Seeds
Florida - 0-1 (loss at Fla. State), 4 other non-conference away games were on neutral sites.
Ohio State - 0-2 (losses at Florida and North Carolina), one other non-conference away game at a neutral site.
North Carolina - 2-0 (wins at Saint Louis and Arizona), 4 other non-conference games at neutral sites.
Kansas - 1-1 (loss at DePaul, win at South Carolina), 3 other non-conference games at neutral sites.
Wisconsin only had one true non-conference road game.
Not defending UCLA's schedule but as folks can see, the number one seeds were not exactly leaving their home arenas much either.
Inflammatory, on a board full of west-coast-bias fans? Sure. But also correct. Visit www.kenpom.com and then tell me that the Pac-10 is the #1 conference.
I also believe that I have everyone on the board beat in terms of when I started hating Florida after last year's Sweet 16 game Stupid Corey Brewer hitting a shot from his knees to win the game.
As funny as it is that Syracuse missed the tournament, my favorite exclusion is UConn from the NIT.
better, but it's not like the pac-10 is some patsy conference.
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