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[ Day Seven of the NCAA Tournament Open Thread ]
2007-03-24 10:21
by Bob Timmermann

The Elite Eight gets pared down to a Select Six.

No more worries about which games is being shown on CBS anymore.

The agenda is brief, but power-packed. Times PT.

  1. 1:40 PM - #2 Memphis vs #1 Ohio State in the South Region in San Antonio. Memphis got to this spot last year, but UCLA held the Tigers to 45 points. In 1985, the Tigers made it to the Final Four and lost, scoring just 45 points against Villanova. Ohio State last made it to the Final Four back in 1999. The Buckeyes last lost in a regional final back in 1992 when Michigan beat them.
  2. 4:05 PM - #2 UCLA vs #1 Kansas in the West Region in San Jose. UCLA is 4-0 against Kansas in the NCAA Tournament. That statistic really means little or nothing today. Let's go with nothing. UCLA has been to 16 Final Fours and Kansas has made it 12 times. This will be the first time the two schools have met in a regional final however. They've played in a national semifinal, a third place game, a first round game, and a second round game.

jkm1927 and Trojan Ron are tied for the lead in the contest with 79 points and three people are just one point back. Wins in this round are worth eight points.

If Ohio State and Kansas win, mikewyz moves into the lead.
If Ohio State and UCLA win, jkm1927 and Trojan Ron would still be tied for first.
If Memphis and Kansas win, Prince's March Madness takes over the lead.
If Memphis and UCLA win, humma kavula takes over the lead.

Comments (252)
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2007-03-24 05:42:00
1.   Sam DC
1. In honor of yesterday's discussion of parent/teacher comments:

2. I will move to any state in the nation to send my kids to the Brock, Bears, SB, Zappall, D4P, Shorofsky school. But I'm wondering if we can get Kotter too. (He can also teach PE, covering both Poker and basketball (see Fastbreak).)

2007-03-24 07:57:34
2.   Humma Kavula
2. Woo hoo! Let's go, Memphis and UCLA!
2007-03-24 07:58:18
3.   Daniel Zappala
Two points: My wife would have 78 points if she had put her bracket into this group. And I'm doing better than Bob.
2007-03-24 08:06:21
4.   Daniel Zappala
Add to last night's thread: you know what stinks as a parent? When you are on top of all that's going on at school, you make sure your kid does homework every night, you send him off to school completely prepared, and then he forgets to turn in half the stuff he did. And you don't find out about it until 2 weeks later when the online grades come out.
2007-03-24 08:18:40
5.   Daniel Zappala
I'm rooting for mikewyz because my best scenario is to take second place behind him. Despite what Bob says, 2nd place means a lot to me.
2007-03-24 08:20:49
6.   Daniel Zappala
Another way Bob is wrong: We got the Oregon game in Utah. I'm supposing it's because we have the MWC here. They switched liberally between Oregon and USC, depending on which lead was smaller.
2007-03-24 08:25:14
7.   Daniel Zappala
Bob's Oregon itinerary:

1. Rafting on the Rogue River
2. Hike around Crater Lake
3. A day on the dunes at the beach
4. Tour Oregon campus
5. Downtown Portland and Powell's book store, catch a show that night.
6-7. Hike Columbia River Gorge (two days)

2007-03-24 09:24:33
8.   Bob Timmermann
Rafting is not my thing, but a nice, pretty resort on the Oregon Coast is something I could sell my girlfriend.
2007-03-24 09:29:17
9.   Marty
Luckily a work crisis spared me from seeing the SC meltdown. When I got paged they were up by 10. When I was finished, they had lost.
2007-03-24 09:32:18
10.   Bob Timmermann
According to Lord Voldemort, USC lost because they sweated more than the North Carolina players.
2007-03-24 09:40:31
11.   Eric Enders
10 I hate Packer as much as the next guy, but he did have a point there. Look at the minutes played by the USC frontliners as opposed to UNC's. The Trojans were clearly fatigued beyond belief after about the 10:00 mark of the second half. Carolina outlasts a lot of teams by going 11 deep and not playing exhausted players.
2007-03-24 09:56:46
12.   Bob Timmermann
I don't doubt USC's players were tired, but I believe that USC and UNC players perspire at equal rates.
2007-03-24 10:01:09
13.   Greg Brock
Maybe Taj Gibson and Nick Young have Hyperhidrosis.
2007-03-24 10:06:26
14.   Greg Brock
When Barton plays Winona State, you can throw the records out the window.
2007-03-24 10:06:59
15.   Bob Timmermann
Winona State hasn't lost since forever.
2007-03-24 10:09:31
16.   Greg Brock
Since 1/7/06, to be exact. You just don't roll in against Bemidji State and grab a W.
2007-03-24 10:09:48
17.   Bob Timmermann
57 in a row for the Warriors.
2007-03-24 10:10:17
18.   Bob Timmermann
Steve thinks that Winona State doesn't play enough road games.
2007-03-24 10:12:23
19.   Bob Timmermann
Winona State played three D-I teams in preseason exhibitions and beat two of them: Drake and Minnesota.

Their longest trip of the year was to Nassau.

In The Bahamas.

2007-03-24 10:15:28
20.   Bob Timmermann
The D-III final is tonight between Washington U and Amherst.

Bring your SAT scores and prepare to engage in some wide-ranging philosophical discussions during that one. Those players are likely a bit smarter than the OSU-Memphis guys tipping off later.

2007-03-24 10:19:28
21.   Greg Brock
Speaking of which, something in my gut tells me that John Calipari would be a perfect fit at Kentucky.
2007-03-24 10:21:02
22.   Greg Brock
Go Roadrunners! Cal State Bakersfield is now in the process of moving up to Division I.
2007-03-24 10:28:23
23.   Eric Enders
12 I believe the point was, UNC's players haven't been playing as much, so haven't had to perspire as much. If they perspired at equal rates, you would expect the Tar Heels to have sweated less.

I don't think he was trying to say that USC has a higher than normal PARP (Perspiration Above Replacement Player).

2007-03-24 10:31:44
24.   Bob Timmermann
I disagree with your contention also that you hate P----- as much as the next guy.

I have a lot of hatred toward him.

As I learned from reading a Bill Simmons column about He Who Shall Not Be Named, P----- has worked EVERY Final Four on TV in most people's memories.

I don't even remember who NBC used before him. When I tried to look it up in old newspapers, the Final Four games were such a minor event that the papers wouldn't state who was working on TV. Curt Gowdy was doing the play-by-play until the late 1970s, when Enberg took over and was teamed up with McGuire and P-----.

2007-03-24 10:33:40
25.   bhsportsguy
Checking in from San Jose, so today is my first NCAA playoff game, I did see the Monterey Bay Aquarium yesterday, still don't know if sea otters enjoy being cooped up in a small area with a bunch of people snapping photos of them, though they seemed quite oblivious to the whole thing.

Beautiful weather up here, we'll see what happens this afternoon.

2007-03-24 10:38:34
26.   Eric Enders
Also, if we can rag on CBS announcers a little more, was Johnson/Brown REALLY the best announcing crew they could come up with for the St. Louis games? Those guys were terrible. You can't tell me they're the second-best announcing team in the country.
2007-03-24 10:42:59
27.   Eric Enders
Actually, I don't think Gus Johnson was working those games. I don't know. Whoever it was, they stunk.
2007-03-24 10:45:14
28.   Greg Brock
Gus Johnson worked the first two rounds in the tournament. Then he went home and let James Brown and Jim Nantz bore us all to death.
2007-03-24 10:45:32
29.   Bob Timmermann
In 1976, the four regional finals were all played on the same day.

NBC only showed three of them and used these pairings:
Jim Simpson and Tommie Hawkins
Dick Enberg and P-----
Curt Gowdy and John Wooden

The East Regional was only shown locally and highlights were cut in.

I believe that before P-----, Gowdy either called the championship game solo or used Jim Simpson to do interviews.

2007-03-24 10:46:35
30.   Bob Timmermann
St. Louis has James Brown and Len Elmore. Supposedly Brown got the assignment in his negotiations to move from Fox to CBS.
2007-03-24 10:49:30
31.   Eric Enders
28 Nantz is OK. Who was the joker working with Brown, though? I think it might have been Len Elmore. He's actually pretty good in the studio, but not a guy whose forte is game announcing.

I hate it when they bring in guys like Brown who are announcers from another sport. Just like I would hate it if I was an NFL fan and Joe Buck was announcing. The announcers are always more knowledgeable when they actually focus on one sport.

2007-03-24 10:51:16
32.   Bob Timmermann
I believe CBS wanted Len Elmore, but we're surprised when Elmore Leonard showed up instead.

His basketball acumen is limited to him yelling "Get Shorty! Get Shorty!"

2007-03-24 10:51:59
33.   Greg Brock
Nantz is the perfect guy for The Masters. Understated, smart, reverential. I love watching The Masters, and there couldn't be a better fit for that tournament than Jim Nantz.

Outside of that, I think he's human valium.

2007-03-24 10:52:35
34.   Bob Timmermann
I hear that other traditions are similar to The Masters.
2007-03-24 10:53:55
35.   Greg Brock
34 Hootie Johnson will be at your door very shortly.

You will be receiving a beating unlike any other.

2007-03-24 11:01:29
36.   Bob Timmermann
I have decided on using P-----'s original surname of Paczkowski.
2007-03-24 11:07:40
37.   Eric Enders
I prefer Paccker. Understated, yet makes its point.
2007-03-24 11:13:08
38.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock likes his college basketball announcers to be grouchy, high-handed, conceited, irascible, and intolerant.
2007-03-24 11:13:13
39.   Eric Enders
BTW, if we're picking Final Four announcers, put me in for Verne Lundquist. He's really excellent. I also like Doug Gottlieb, although they don't send him out to do many actual games. Guy's intelligent, knows his stuff, and isn't afraid to express an unpopular opinion.
2007-03-24 11:15:57
40.   Bob Timmermann
Just make sure that there aren't any wallets lying around on the floor where Gottlieb is. Someone may end up with unexpected charges on their Visa.
2007-03-24 11:17:34
41.   Greg Brock
38 Naah, I just think the guy is a very good analyst. And in the age of screaming Vitales and coach deification, Packer is not like that. He is certainly hateable, I completely get that. To me, personally, Packer isn't the monster that he is to other people.

{backs away slowly}

Grouchy, I don't mind. High-handed is okay. Conceited and intolerant is not cool. I am ambivalent regarding irascibility.

2007-03-24 11:22:39
42.   Eric Enders
40 Some of the ways college players get in trouble are so dumb they're amusing. Gottlieb, the St. John's players, A.J. Price... when Tim Hardaway was in college he got arrested for stealing a potted plant from a nursery. Seriously.
2007-03-24 11:24:08
43.   Greg Brock
Credit card fraud > Stealing potted plants.
2007-03-24 11:27:40
44.   Bob Timmermann
Gottieb's punishment for credit card fraud ultimately was that he became a horrendous free throw shooter. It's not good to be a point guard who shoots free throws like the unholy offspring of Shaquille O'Neal and Lorenzo Mata.
2007-03-24 11:32:03
45.   Eric Enders
That would be one ugly offspring.
2007-03-24 11:47:09
46.   Bob Timmermann
Doug Gottlieb isn't likely to end up on the cover of People as the "Sexiest Man Alive."
2007-03-24 11:58:57
47.   Bob Timmermann
Winona is Gonzaga-ing their lead.
2007-03-24 12:00:51
48.   Bob Timmermann
Now that was an ending worth watching!

Anthony Atkinson for God!

2007-03-24 12:03:12
49.   Bob Timmermann
Truly, that ending of the D-II game was something that I've never seen. Barton came from seven down with about a minute left and Atkinson scored 10 straight points for his team including a layup at the buzzer after a steal.

That game needed Gus Johnson.

2007-03-24 12:24:21
50.   Eric Enders
I guess the D2 talk proved to be a thread killer. I'd like to have seen that ending, but I don't suspect they'll be showing it on ESPN classic.
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2007-03-24 12:38:56
51.   Greg Brock
I figured Winona State had it locked up so I went to the market to get lunch. Sounds like I missed a real barn burner.


2007-03-24 13:12:47
52.   Bob Timmermann
Never give up on the Barton ...

[checks online]


2007-03-24 13:24:34
53.   Bob Timmermann
I misread the D-III scoreboard. That was decided yesterday. Amherst beat Virginia Wesleyan. Washington U beat Wooster for third place.

All hail the Lord Jeffs!

2007-03-24 13:26:34
54.   Bob Timmermann
This is from the AP story about the D-II final:

SPRINGFIELD, Ma. (AP) -- Anthony Atkinson scored 10 points in the final 45 seconds, including a layup at the buzzer, to give Barton College its first NCAA Division II title with a 77-75 victory over defending champion Winona State.

Barton ended Winona's two-year, 57-game winning streak and survived a review of the final play by the officials.

Winona appeared poised to repeat as champion when Zac Malvik made two free throws to put the Minnesota school ahead 74-67 with 45 seconds left. Two straight baskets by Atkinson made it 74-71, then Jonte Flowers of Winona hit one of two foul shots to put his team in front 75-71.

Atkinson scored on a layup with 19.4 seconds remaining, then stole the inbounds pass and made a layup to tie it 75-75 with 11 seconds left. Atkinson forced a turnover, raced down court and delivered the winning basket just before time expired.

2007-03-24 13:36:28
55.   Bob Timmermann
Actually the AP story is slightly off.

Actual sequence of events:
Winona State leads 74-67 with 45 seconds left.
Atkinson scores on layup with 39 seconds left to make it 74-69 and then commits a foul.
Winona St's Zach Malvik misses and Barton rebounds.
Atkinson scores on a jumper with 25 seconds left 74-71.
Barton's Errol Frails steals the inbound pass, gets it to Atkinson who scores and is fouled. 74-73 with 21 seconds left.
Atkinson misses the free throw.
Atkinson fouls Jonte Flowers of Winona State with 19 seconds left. Flowers misses the first and makes the second, 75-73 Winona.
Atkinson scores on an up and under layup with 11 seconds left. 75-75.
Barton's Bobby Buffaloe makes a steal as Winona brings the ball up court and leads a pass to Atkinson who lays the ball in as the buzzer sounds. The ball leaves Atkinson's hands just before the light on the backboard comes on. 77-75 Barton.

2007-03-24 13:45:18
56.   Eric Enders
He missed a free throw! Clutch, my *.

This had better show up on YouTube, by the way.

2007-03-24 13:46:26
57.   Greg Brock
Memphis should think about putting the round rubber ball through the metal circle they put up. I believe they painted it orange so that one can see it.
2007-03-24 13:48:04
58.   Greg Brock
2007-03-24 13:52:03
59.   Bob Timmermann
We should give congrats to the Griddle's lone ASU representative, godvls, whose Sun Devils women's team has made it to the Elite Eight and will play Rutgers for a trio to Cleveland.
2007-03-24 13:52:24
60.   trainwreck
I came back home late last night and checked the Griddle.

Three cheers to Bob ripping He Who Shall Not Be Named.

2007-03-24 13:54:37
61.   Eric Enders
Upon further review, Atkinson is sort of the DII version of Acie Law. This is the third time this week he's scored the winning points at the buzzer.

The headline writer on the Barton website likes exclamation points:

"Atkinson free throw sends Barton into NCAA D-II National Championship game!!!"
"Atkinson's buzzer-beating 3-pointer vaults Bulldogs into Elite Eight semifinals!!!"

2007-03-24 13:56:24
62.   Bob Timmermann
I have a feeling that Barton's website is put together by an undergrad intering in the SID office.
2007-03-24 14:00:14
63.   Eric Enders
Intering who? ;)
2007-03-24 14:00:45
64.   Greg Brock
If the Memphis/OSU game is tied at the end of regulation, they should have an essay contest to decide the winner.

Discuss the impact of the Second Agricultural Revolution on preindustrial Europe...

2007-03-24 14:03:41
65.   Bob Timmermann
They've opted for cremation instead of interment.
2007-03-24 14:25:13
66.   Greg Brock
A jump hook is not a sky hook, Bill Raftery.


2007-03-24 14:52:43
67.   trainwreck
So juiced for UCLA game. I cannot wait much longer.
2007-03-24 14:58:32
68.   Greg Brock
67 Are you expecting the Bruins to win this game?
2007-03-24 15:01:47
69.   trainwreck
Not really, but I think we can. Just mean so much to have back-to-back Final 4 years.
2007-03-24 15:06:19
70.   Greg Brock
If Bill RafterY says "CDR!" one more time I am going to throw a brick through my television.

Please stop, Bill.

2007-03-24 15:07:56
71.   Bob Timmermann
Since I never understand what Raftery is saying, I guess ignorance is bliss.
2007-03-24 15:08:14
72.   Voxter
68 - I suspect that Kansas is deeply overrated. I think there's a strong possibility that they'll be beaten by UCLA.

Now that I've said that, watch Kansas win by 30.

2007-03-24 15:09:44
73.   Voxter
70 - Nobody can be as bad as Len Elmore. I swear to you, he would just say the word "obviously" over and over again if there weren't someone whispering in his ear that he needs nouns and verbs to make up complete sentences.
2007-03-24 15:12:01
74.   Bob Timmermann
It's a bit odd that two of the announcers who sound the least intelligent are actually two have very good educations.

James Brown went to Harvard as an undergrad. Len Elmore went to Maryland and then Harvard Law.

2007-03-24 15:23:35
75.   Greg Brock
74 Maybe James Brown just needs more experience. He is certainly a smart, likeable, articulate, and relaxed personality. But right now he just sounds out of place.

Len Elmore is just boring as all get out.

2007-03-24 15:25:03
76.   Greg Brock
That play was so stupid it defies description.
2007-03-24 15:26:53
77.   Bob Timmermann
Len Elmore was the color commentator for CBS for the epic Duke-Kentucky East Regional Final back in 1992.

I think it was 1992.

2007-03-24 15:32:00
78.   Voxter
I think they should start an advertizing campaign with the slogan: "The Masters: less addictive than sleeping pills."
2007-03-24 15:33:00
79.   Bob Timmermann

Len and Verne don't say much here.

2007-03-24 15:33:33
80.   Greg Brock
It's not a "Dagger" with 6:30 left in the game, Bill Raftery.
2007-03-24 15:37:20
81.   Bob Timmermann
Dorsey's free throw shooting is Mata-riffic.
2007-03-24 15:38:31
82.   Voxter
One doesn't like to blame the referees, but the officiating has been less than stellar in this game.
2007-03-24 15:44:28
83.   Bob Timmermann
Raftery is a forensic basketball analysis. He knew that shot with 6:30 left would be fatal.
Raftery will be doing a guest spot on "CSI: San Antonio".
2007-03-24 15:45:51
84.   Voxter
On the off chance that this goes to extra time, Memphis is pretty much doomed.
2007-03-24 15:46:53
85.   Bob Timmermann
In the end, aren't we all doomed?
2007-03-24 15:49:58
86.   Greg Brock
The game, she be toast.
2007-03-24 15:54:32
87.   Greg Brock
The game is over. Stop fouling. Stop calling timeouts. Give it up.

Thank you

2007-03-24 15:58:22
88.   Gagne55
Have the four number ones ever all made it to the final four in the same year?
2007-03-24 15:59:11
89.   trainwreck
Now my friends want to wait till halftime to go out and watch game. They drank too much last night...


2007-03-24 15:59:25
90.   trainwreck
2007-03-24 15:59:48
91.   Bob Timmermann
jkm1927 and Trojan Ron are atop the leaderboard with 87 points. Suffering Bruin and El Lay Dave are one point back.

If UCLA beats Kansas, those same standings will hold.

If Kansas wins, mikewyz takes over the lead.

2007-03-24 16:00:26
92.   Bob Timmermann
There was one year with three 1s and one 2.
2007-03-24 16:04:11
93.   Bob Timmermann
You can see the D-II Championship ending here:

2007-03-24 16:05:43
94.   trainwreck
Come on Bruins!!!
2007-03-24 16:07:59
95.   Voxter
Well, now we dcan start thinking about the one that matters, anyway.

Greg Oden is less than a month older than the youngest of my brothers. He appears to be older than my father.

He was born the year Kirk Gibson the National League's MVP, and the Dodgers won the World Series in an upset romp over the Oakland Athletics.

That year, the first ever George Bush was elected President. Mikhail Gorbachev began his program of perestroika. The Iran-Contra scandal raged. Mordechai Vanunu was sentenced for blowing the whistle Israel's nuclear weapons program. The Soviet war in Afghanistan ended. Michael Dukakis rode a tank. The Iran-Iraq War ended after an estimated 1 million were dead. Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland.

Wimbledon won the FA Cup. Wrigley Field saw its first-ever night game. Wayne Gretzky became a King.

I received a yellow Schwinn for my eighth birthday.

2007-03-24 16:08:35
96.   trainwreck
I can see the refs are going to drive me crazy today.
2007-03-24 16:10:34
97.   trainwreck
Let them play!
2007-03-24 16:10:34
98.   Greg Brock
The energy in the arena is fantastic.
2007-03-24 16:11:09
99.   Bob Timmermann
I started working as a fulltime 40 hours per week guy back in 1988.
2007-03-24 16:21:43
100.   Greg Brock
I can handle losing the game, I just don't want the team to look so sloppy while doing it.
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2007-03-24 16:24:21
101.   Greg Brock
Well, I guess it's time for me to start impugning Josh Shipp's character.
2007-03-24 16:25:21
102.   trainwreck

Howland's lack of faith in Westbrook is really going to hurt in this game.

2007-03-24 16:25:25
103.   Bob Timmermann
Ohio State's win moved me from 99th to 91st.

Monetery Chris. Remember him? He's in a tie for 12th. I remember when he was he was big.

2007-03-24 16:31:39
104.   Greg Brock
Well if we're going to play this sloppy I'm not going to watch the game.
2007-03-24 16:34:29
105.   Voxter
104 - I'm going to assume that you've just uttered one of the emptiest threats of all time. Or rather, typed it.
2007-03-24 16:35:25
106.   Bob Timmermann
I think that threat will be as effective as UN sanctions against Iran.
2007-03-24 16:36:38
107.   Uncle Miltie
Brock, we're going to need some of your reverse jinxing today.

I'll start – Darren Collison is worse than Mike Penberthy.

2007-03-24 16:37:17
108.   Greg Brock
Nope. Threw in The Departed on DVD. Call me when we're not going all Edward Scissorhands with the basketball. I'm sure you guys will keep me posted.
2007-03-24 16:38:21
109.   Voxter
Aaron Afflalo is the worse at basketball than Millard Fillmore was at being President.
2007-03-24 16:39:30
110.   Uncle Miltie
Your lack of jinxing just caused Mata to miss 2 free throws.
2007-03-24 16:41:35
111.   Voxter
I should never have called Kansas overrated.
2007-03-24 16:42:37
112.   trainwreck
Well Kansas is firing on all cylinders. They do not usually shoot this well.
2007-03-24 16:43:10
113.   Bob Timmermann
We could get Greg Brock back by telling him how "The Departed" ends.

Vera Farmiga did it!

2007-03-24 16:43:50
114.   trainwreck
DC, RW, and AA need to be out together on floor.
2007-03-24 16:44:31
115.   Voxter
I think Shipp is a little overenthusiastic with the 3-ball after Thursday's success.
2007-03-24 16:45:26
116.   Bob Timmermann

If you're a Kansas fan, the Griddle is nominally nonpartisan.

2007-03-24 16:46:14
117.   trainwreck
I hate Josh Shipp. Declare for the pros.
2007-03-24 16:46:17
118.   Voxter
113 - That movie was another thing I called "overrated". I imagine Kansas will be winning the title now.

That said, I also predicted that "The Departed" would win best picture, in the long tradition of the Academy giving awards to second-rate work of great artists because it has ignored said artists' earlier greatness. (See Newman, Paul -- "The Color of Money".)

2007-03-24 16:47:14
119.   Uncle Miltie
Let Roll keep shooting!
2007-03-24 16:47:50
120.   Voxter
Nice f'n pass.
2007-03-24 16:48:56
121.   Voxter
I wish I didn't have ethical problems with keeping apes as pets, because it would be awesome to have an orangutan.
2007-03-24 16:50:17
122.   Greg Brock
Okay, I punished UCLA for ten minutes. I hope the Bruins learned their lesson.
2007-03-24 16:50:42
123.   Voxter
I wonder why the Hokies fan:

1. Isn't fatter.

2. Still has teeth.

2007-03-24 16:50:52
124.   Bob Timmermann
That and the fact that a full-grown oranguatan can easily turn on you and kill you.
2007-03-24 16:51:25
125.   Bob Timmermann
That's not enough time for people to get shot in the face.
2007-03-24 16:53:55
126.   Voxter
124 - Details. I'd just have a series of baby orangutans.

Aaron Afflalo is pretty good at basketball. (Should I not say that?)

2007-03-24 16:54:25
127.   Greg Brock
125 I've seen the movie a few times.

And I don't know what I missed, but I'm pretty confident that we have no business leading this basketball game.

2007-03-24 16:54:37
128.   trainwreck
That is what we got to do!!
2007-03-24 16:54:54
129.   Bob Timmermann
What type of relationship does the Cingular phone owner have with his friend?

There seems to be a bit of mind control and humiliation involved.

2007-03-24 16:58:11
130.   trainwreck
2007-03-24 16:58:17
131.   Uncle Miltie
When Shipp makes a 3, it's a thing of beauty.
2007-03-24 16:58:19
132.   Bob Timmermann
At least Jay Bilas could figure out who was shooting.
2007-03-24 16:58:39
133.   Voxter

127 -- UCLA pulled it together a little bit, and Kansas fell apart a little bit. I wouldn't say the Bruins have been lucky, or outplayed in particular.

2007-03-24 16:58:52
134.   Greg Brock
How are we winning this basketball game?
2007-03-24 16:58:52
135.   Johnson
The play-by-play guy seems to have a lot of difficulty telling Shipp and Afflalo apart. Shipp wears 3 - it's a curly number. Afflalo wears 4 - it's a sharp number.
2007-03-24 16:59:33
136.   Greg Brock
133 Gotcha.
2007-03-24 16:59:58
137.   Greg Brock
135 That made me laugh.
2007-03-24 17:00:15
138.   Bob Timmermann
Who has more 3-point attempts this season: Lorenzo Mata or Greg Oden?
2007-03-24 17:00:24
139.   trainwreck
I just wanted to be close at the half.
2007-03-24 17:01:05
140.   Voxter
Why is it, whenever the basketball game goes to commercial, FSC is also on commercial? And are the commercials on FSC the silliest commercials ever? They're all along the lines of:

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2007-03-24 17:04:27
141.   Voxter
138 - Cursory reserach leads me to believe that they are tied -- at zero. Mata appears not to have attempted one in three years.
2007-03-24 17:04:30
142.   trainwreck
Going out to watch second half. Come on Bruins!!!
2007-03-24 17:04:45
143.   trainwreck
Have a good day everyone.
2007-03-24 17:05:08
144.   Bob Timmermann
The teams have combined for 23 turnovers, with 14 of them coming on steals.

UCLA is 5 of 13 on 3s.
Kansas is 1 of 1 on 3s.

Shipp has 3 turnovers and 3 steals, so I guess he's even.

Wright has 4 turnovers and 3 steals.

8 assists for Kansas, 4 for UCLA.

UCLA with 15 rebounds, Kansas with 10.

2007-03-24 17:08:08
145.   Uncle Miltie
142- at a bar?
2007-03-24 17:08:56
146.   Bob Timmermann
Lorenzo Mata has one 3-point attempt this season according to UCLA's stats, but it doesn't show up in any of the boxscores.
2007-03-24 17:09:13
147.   Voxter
For the record, Oden's game log:

appears to indicate no attempts.

Mata's career stats:

say the same.

Personally, I'm disappointed. Both of these men have been involved in some blow-outs. How can they not have tried a three, if just for the novelty of it? Even Kevin Duckworth shot a few threes. (10 in one season, once!)

2007-03-24 17:13:25
148.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not convinced that UCLA's own stat keepers did a good job of keeping track of the 3-point attempts.

If Mata or Oden ever tried one, it would likely be an end of the half heave or something with the shot clock running down.

2007-03-24 17:16:18
149.   Greg Brock
If Lorenzo Mata attempted a three pointer during a blowout, I'll bet Ben Howland would have him run suicides until his legs fell off.

Ben does not seem like the type to endorse such shenanigans.

2007-03-24 17:16:26
150.   Voxter
If you watch Oregon basketball enough, it becomes hard to conceptualize a player who doesn't fling up a few threes each game. The closest thing Oregon has is Joevon Catron (first name?), and he hardly plays.
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2007-03-24 17:16:42
151.   Bob Timmermann
With Memphis' loss, all seven teams left in tournament have won a championship before.
2007-03-24 17:17:17
152.   Voxter
149 - Probably. If I were coach, I might run a designed play for him to shoot a three if I were up by 20.

That's probably why I don't coach athletics.

2007-03-24 17:18:01
153.   Voxter
151 - Is Oregon the only team not to have the same mascot as when they won before? Back in 1939, they were called the Tall Pines, if memory serves.
2007-03-24 17:18:53
154.   Bob Timmermann
According to Oregon's own stats, Catron has tried 12 3-pointers. Even Adam Zahn is credited with one.

Tajuan Porter has tried 242.

2007-03-24 17:19:11
155.   Voxter
Also, Oregon's final victim in that tourney? Ohio State.
2007-03-24 17:19:41
156.   Bob Timmermann
The basketball team was called the Tall Firs in 1939, but I think that was just a specific nickname for that team.
2007-03-24 17:20:31
157.   Voxter
Mata almost shot a three there.
2007-03-24 17:21:09
158.   Johnson
And following the discussion, Mata attempts the longest shot I've ever seen him take. His heel might have been on the line.
2007-03-24 17:23:43
159.   Uncle Miltie
How did Kansas ruin that fastbreak?
2007-03-24 17:24:03
160.   Voxter
To paraphrase Bob Ryan, this game has been a bit like a sausage factory.

I think Yoda might have some advice for these young men:

"Control, control! You must learn control!"

2007-03-24 17:24:53
161.   Sam DC
I went to the bar around the corner to watch the game. It turns out to be full of bruins fans. I am very busy high fiving strangers.

So - who was the (white) guy who came in and shot - and made - one three-pointer and then left?

Don't the Bruins seriously need people who can shoot in there?

2007-03-24 17:26:44
162.   Johnson
161 - Michael Roll.
2007-03-24 17:26:53
163.   Greg Brock
161 Michael Roll, who is the streakiest shooter in the world.

He'll be back in at some point.

2007-03-24 17:28:15
164.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon's first nickname was the Webfoots and then that was eventually shortened to Ducks.

The 1939 team was just called The Tall Firs because they were exceptionally tall for the time. Two guys were 6'4" and the star was 6'8" Slim Wintermute, whose real first name was Urgel.

2007-03-24 17:29:21
165.   Bob Timmermann
Please no Bob Ryan, there may be children reading.
2007-03-24 17:29:42
166.   Uncle Miltie
Kansas is the best defensive team that UCLA has played this year.
2007-03-24 17:30:12
167.   Voxter
164 - Slim Wintermute is the best basketball name ever. Except for Urgel Wintermute.
2007-03-24 17:31:20
168.   Greg Brock
167 World B. Free would like a word with you.
2007-03-24 17:32:09
169.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon's path to the 1939 championship:

Wins over Oklahoma and Texas at Treasure Island, California.

A win over Ohio State in the championship game in Evanston, Illinois.

2007-03-24 17:33:25
170.   Voxter
168 - But that was an adopted name. He was really called "Lloyd".
2007-03-24 17:34:45
171.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA's path to its first championship in 1964:

Wins over Seattle and USF in Corvallis.
Wins over Kansas State and Duke in Kansas City.

2007-03-24 17:35:45
172.   Voxter
There is an extremely unlikely scenario in which we have a rematch of that first national title game. I'm sure Ohio State will be struggling mentally with previous defeat.

Ducks rule and Buckeyes drool!

2007-03-24 17:35:53
173.   Uncle Miltie
That was pretty manly postup by Afflalo

Jay Bilas would have done the exact same thing

2007-03-24 17:35:58
174.   Greg Brock
This has been a satisfactory chain of events.
2007-03-24 17:36:52
175.   Voxter
171 - That first round was V minus 16 and counting at the town in which I was born.
2007-03-24 17:38:24
176.   Bob Timmermann
Kansas' path to its first championship in 1952

Wins over TCU and St. Louis in Kansas City
Wins over Santa Clara and St. John's in Seattle.

2007-03-24 17:39:01
177.   Uncle Miltie
The Prince needs to stop shooting 3's!
2007-03-24 17:39:28
178.   Voxter
How long has it been since somebody scored?
2007-03-24 17:40:02
179.   Voxter
176 - Who coached that '52 Kansas team?
2007-03-24 17:41:13
180.   Uncle Miltie
Best college mascot, the Kansas Jayhawk or the Santa Cruz Banana Slug?
2007-03-24 17:41:29
181.   Bob Timmermann
Ohio State's championship path in 1960

Wins over Western Kentucky and Georgia Tech in Louisville.
Wins over NYU and Cal in San Francisco.

2007-03-24 17:41:57
182.   Uncle Miltie
or the Stanford Tree
2007-03-24 17:42:01
183.   Greg Brock
180 Banana Slugs actually exist.
2007-03-24 17:42:31
184.   Eric Enders
I will not be satisfied by this game until there is an Adam Keefe sighting.
2007-03-24 17:42:36
185.   Bob Timmermann
Kansas was coached by Phog Allen in 1952. Dean Smith played on that team.
2007-03-24 17:42:54
186.   Greg Brock
Jayhawkers were abolitionists prior to and during the Civil War.
2007-03-24 17:42:54
187.   Bob Timmermann
You will never be satisfied.
2007-03-24 17:43:04
188.   we are infinite
180 Definitely Banana Slugs. Plus, that Jayhawk logo is in desperate need of an update. Am I alone in feeling this way?
2007-03-24 17:43:32
189.   Uncle Miltie
Darn, there goes Roll's perfect free throw shooting season.
2007-03-24 17:43:42
190.   Voxter
I've always been partial to the mascot of my Alma Mommy, Pomona College. The women's teams are called the Sagehens.

. . . and the men's are (informally, at least) the Sagecocks.


2007-03-24 17:44:53
191.   Voxter
2007-03-24 17:46:52
192.   Voxter
For the record, I played rugby at Pomona, but wasn't technically a Sagecock because the team was club and drew from all five colleges in our consortium.

And rugby? Yeah, I wasn't good at rugby.

2007-03-24 17:48:31
193.   we are infinite
Hehe. Well, in the same vein, there's always the South Carolina Gamecocks.
2007-03-24 17:48:36
194.   Uncle Miltie
That's a bad call. He stepped out of bounds.
2007-03-24 17:49:32
195.   Voxter
Does the Chalmers family comprise all the black people in Alaska?
2007-03-24 17:50:32
196.   we are infinite
Afflalo is a one-man team now. Couldn't be happier, personally.
2007-03-24 17:51:18
197.   Greg Brock
Stupid clock needs to have 0.00 on it!

Run, you stupid clock! Run!

2007-03-24 17:52:19
198.   Bob Timmermann
They hung out with Trajan Langdon's family.

But I think that Alaska has a respectable black population.

2007-03-24 17:53:14
199.   Greg Brock
If Miller Lite is the Gold Winner for best light beer, than the World Cup of Beer has no legitimacy as a sanctioning body.
2007-03-24 17:53:26
200.   Bob Timmermann
In 2005, the US Census estimated around 22,000 African-Americans in Alaska.
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2007-03-24 17:55:05
201.   we are infinite
199 Doesn't it say something like best American-style light lager? You have to wonder who the other competitors are.
2007-03-24 17:56:01
202.   Bob Timmermann
The team record for steals in an NCAA touranment game is 19.

Providence vs. Austin Peay in 1987 (back when the Friars were coached by Rick Pitino and Billy Donovan was the star) and by UConn against Boston U in 1990.

2007-03-24 17:56:20
203.   Greg Brock
201 I am going to have to research the candidates. Whatever other beer is in the competetion, and isn't Miller Lite...There is your winner.
2007-03-24 17:56:32
204.   Bob Timmermann
Corollary time!
2007-03-24 17:58:01
205.   Uncle Miltie
Ah, that burns
2007-03-24 17:58:02
206.   we are infinite
203 From this web site:

2006 winners:

Category: 30 American-Style Light Lager - 22 Entries

Gold: Miller Lite, Miller Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI
Silver: Lone Star Light, Pabst Brewing Co., San Antonio, TX
Bronze: Michelob Light, Anheuser-Busch, Inc., St. Louis, MO

2007-03-24 17:58:14
207.   Bob Timmermann
Washington also had 19 steals against UConn last year.
2007-03-24 17:58:58
208.   Uncle Miltie
Wow! It seems like Collison always makes those types of shots!
2007-03-24 17:59:07
209.   Voxter
2007-03-24 17:59:16
210.   Bob Timmermann
If I were a Kansas fan (as I'm nominally nonpartisan), I would be really frustrated with this game.
2007-03-24 18:04:28
211.   Uncle Miltie
Time to bring Mata back in?
2007-03-24 18:05:20
212.   Bob Timmermann
Then it would be time for the Hack-a-Mata.

Which doesn't rhyme.

2007-03-24 18:07:08
213.   Bob Timmermann
The combined record for steals is 28.
2007-03-24 18:08:17
214.   Uncle Miltie
This is ridiculous. The UCLA players are getting abused.
2007-03-24 18:08:23
215.   Bob Timmermann
So I think the record has been tied.
2007-03-24 18:09:11
216.   Greg Brock
If I was a UCLA player, I would seriously consider punching somebody in the face.

That is not defense. That is assault.

2007-03-24 18:10:33
217.   Bob Timmermann
The boxscore online has 26 combined steals.

Your steals may vary.

2007-03-24 18:11:04
218.   Bob Timmermann
Just because you're excited, there's no reason not to remember to use the subjunctive mood.
2007-03-24 18:12:07
219.   Uncle Miltie
Don't you take the free layup there?
2007-03-24 18:12:21
220.   Greg Brock
If I were a UCLA player...
2007-03-24 18:13:04
221.   Bob Timmermann
Thank you.
2007-03-24 18:15:00
222.   Greg Brock
221 Sorry. Emotion and proper grammar are often mutually exclusive.

Sincerest apologies.

2007-03-24 18:16:11
223.   Bob Timmermann
The Timmermann-Brock Peace Accord is ROCK SOLID.

UCLA's leading rebounder today:
Josh Shipp

2007-03-24 18:17:36
224.   Bob Timmermann
I think we have the stealingest NCAA tournament game ever.

Or at least since they started keeping track of the stat.

2007-03-24 18:18:29
225.   Voxter
Aaron Afflalo was born 15 October 1985.

Three days after Aaron Afflalo was born, the first-ever Nintendo was released in the United States.

In that year, the first Briton made a cell phone call. Ronald Reagan started his second term. "We Are the World" rocketed to #1. The first truly successful implant of an artificial heart was performed. The first-ever blood test for AIDS was approved in the US. Americans were taken hostage in Beirut. Mikhail Gorbachev took power. New Coke was born, and flopped. Route 66 was shut down as a cross-country entity. 9000 people died in a massive earthquake in Mexico City.

38 football fans were killed when a riot broke out at Heysel Stadium in Brussels after a Euro Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus. Don Mattingly and Willie McGee won MVP awards. The Kansas City Royals closed out what was otherwise a top-flight World Series with an 11-0 blowout of the Cardinals.

I moved from Bend to Portland and was taken to Disneyland for my fifth birthday.

2007-03-24 18:18:39
226.   Uncle Miltie
What a game.
2007-03-24 18:19:22
227.   Sam DC
Woo hoo!
2007-03-24 18:19:31
228.   Greg Brock
Back to back Final Fours.

I am a happy, happy, happy man.


2007-03-24 18:22:36
229.   Daniel Zappala
Congrats, UCLA partisans.
2007-03-24 18:25:16
230.   Uncle Miltie
Dick Enberg didn't seem too pleased when Howland brought up Enberg's past as a UCLA announcer.
2007-03-24 18:26:28
231.   Greg Brock
230 I think he was being modest. It's not a secret that Dick Enberg was our broadcaster during the Golden Age of Bruins basketball.

I think he was trying to maintain the focus on the Bruins.

2007-03-24 18:28:34
232.   Bob Timmermann
The leaders remain the same: jkm1927 and Trojan Ron. Suffering Bruin and El Lay Dave are one point behind.

If North Carolina and Florida win, jkm 1927 will lead.
If North Carolina and Oregon win, El Lay Dave will lead.
If Georgetown wins, Trojan Ron will lead regardless of the outcome of the Florida-Oregon game.

Interestingly, none of these people can win the whole thing.

So enjoy it while you can people, soon you will be off with the Monterey Chrises of the world.

2007-03-24 18:29:31
233.   Uncle Miltie
I'd love to see UCLA play Oregon
2007-03-24 18:31:35
234.   Bob Timmermann
Excuse me, El Lay Dave can win.
2007-03-24 18:32:35
235.   Bob Timmermann
And jkm1927 can as well, but he or she requires an Oregon win tomorrow.
2007-03-24 18:34:35
236.   Bob Timmermann
And Trojan Ron can win.

I need to analyze this further.

2007-03-24 18:45:13
237.   Greg Brock
Bill Self joins the long line of Bruin opponents that is baffled by how their team lost.

Bill Self may not give us any credit, but his hairpiece knows what really happened out there.

2007-03-24 18:45:45
238.   Bob Timmermann
If North Carolina and Florida win and then advance to the final and Florida wins, then "Fatwa on Florida" wins, which I believe is trainwreck.

If North Carolina and Florida win and then advance to the final and North Carolina wins, Diane Firstman wins.

If North Carolina and Florida win and Ohio State and Florida meet in the final and Florida wins, Bama Yankee wins.

If North Carolina and Florida win and Ohio State beats Florida in the final, jkm1927 wins.

If Georgetown and Florida win and Florida beats Ohio State in the final, Trojan Ron wins.

If Georgetown and Florida win and Ohio State beats Florida, Suffering Bruin wins.

If Georgetown and Florida win and UCLA beats Ohio State in the final, Dodgergabe wins

If Georgetown and Florida win and Ohio State beats UCLA, sonic death monkey wins.

If Georgetown and Florida win and UCLA beats Georegetown in the final, maligNED and beLITTLEd wins.

If Georgetown and Florida win and Georgetown beats UCLA, "it goes up to 65" wins.

If Oregon and Georgetown win and Georgetown beats UCLA, Hythloday wins.

If Oregon and Georgetown win and Ohio State beats UCLA, Sam DC wins.

If Oregon and North Carolina win and UCLA beats Ohio State, Dodgergabe wins.

If Oregon and North Carolina win and Oregon beats Ohio State in the final, minus the orange wins.

I'm tired.

2007-03-24 18:48:41
239.   Daniel Zappala
And the highest I can finish is 10th. Bleah.
2007-03-24 18:54:50
240.   Johnson
My question is: Has any team ever beat three #1 seeds en route to a national championship? UCLA has knocked out Kansas and could still face Florida and UNC/Ohio State.
2007-03-24 18:57:00
241.   Greg Brock
240 Unless I'm mistaken, Arizona beat 3 #1 seeds in 1997.
2007-03-24 18:58:21
242.   Bob Timmermann
Mr. Brock is not mistaken. Arizona beat #1 Kansas in the regional semis, #1 Minnesota in the the national semi and then #1 Kentucky in the final.
2007-03-24 18:59:42
243.   Bob Timmermann
I believe "minus the orange" will win it all, if Oregon wins the championship, regardless of other outcomes.
2007-03-24 19:02:32
244.   Johnson
Answers come quickly on The Griddle!
2007-03-24 19:06:49
245.   Bob Timmermann
I watched the Saturday games of the 1997 Final Four at my brother's house in Torrance as I had to house-sit for him as he had just gotten a new dog.

I took the dog (a basset hound) to the beach for a walk.

Basset hound = chick magnet

2007-03-24 19:13:39
246.   Greg Brock
Bob rolling around the mean streets of Torrance. I'm glad you made it out okay...We grow 'em tough in the South Bay.
2007-03-24 19:18:56
247.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, I had a basset hound for protection!
2007-03-24 20:55:46
248.   Greg Brock
News Alert

Bruins Make Final Four. Brock Pours Beer On Self.

News Alert

2007-03-24 21:10:58
249.   Vishal
so, i've got a shot! if everything falls right, that is.
2007-03-24 21:22:56
250.   Bob Timmermann
What's your entry name?
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2007-03-24 22:00:27
251.   Daniel Zappala
Anyone else thing it is bad seeding to seed Florida and UCLA so that they meet in the semifinals this year, instead of the finals? If they were the two best teams last year, and very highly seeded again this year, shouldn't you give them a shot to meet in the finals again?
2007-03-24 22:09:32
252.   Bob Timmermann
It's because UCLA was essentially the #5 team. Florida was the overall #1, OSU and UNC are 2-3 (I forget which order), Kansas was #4. Then when the second seeds got placed, UCLA was the best second seed and had to face the worst first seed.

Sometimes this gets tweaked to make some teams play in certain areas and to avoid problems like having BYU playing on a Sunday.

Although they still screw that up at times.

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