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Special request open chat: Champions League semifinal, Man U vs AC Milan, 11:30 am PT
2007-05-02 09:50
by Bob Timmermann

It's the second leg of the Champions League semifinal between two of the big boys of European soccer. Manchester United won the first leg at Old Trafford, 3-2. The second leg is at San Siro. Man U advances to the final in Athens on May 23 to face Liverpool with a win or draw or losing by a score of 4-3. AC Milan advances with a win if it is by more than one goal or 1-0 or 2-1. There could be a penalty kick tiebreaker too. Or I could have remembered the tiebreakers used. Feel free to correct me.

I believe you can watch the game on if you wish to be a slacker at work.

2007-05-02 10:35:36
1.   Zak
Yay!! Go Milan!
2007-05-02 10:37:58
2.   Zak
AC Milan advances with any one goal win, as long as it is less than 3-2 (eg. 1-0, 2-1 - Milan wins)

Only way it goes to extra-time and penalties is if the final score is if Milan wins 3-2, tying the overall scores at 5-5.

If Man U loses by one goal, but scores more than 3, it advaces. Obviously, as mentioned, they need only a draw to advance.

2007-05-02 10:41:13
3.   Zak
Oh, and I should explain the reasoning behind paragraph one of my last post. In European soccer's two legged ties, if the aggregate scores are tied after the two matches, the team that scored more goals away from home advances.

So, Milan has two away goals to their credit. If they win 1-0, then the aggregate score would be 3-3, but Milan would advance based on their two away goals to Man. United's zero away goals.

I think I am all done hijacking this thread. Go Milan!!

2007-05-02 10:43:35
4.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, I knew all that, but I'm still sleepy. Thanks.
2007-05-02 10:50:04
5.   Westernmost in Flavor
The people have spoken!

Thanks, Bob

2007-05-02 10:51:32
6.   Bob Timmermann
I'm easily cowed by Oregonians.
2007-05-02 10:58:05
7.   Westernmost in Flavor
Even transplanted Californians in Oregon?
2007-05-02 11:01:49
8.   joejoejoe
Crooked Timber had a great line about yesterday's semifinal result...

"Good 1 Evil 0 (Agg. 1-1) Good wins 4-1 on penalties."

2007-05-02 11:05:37
9.   Penarol1916
8. That's great, except for I would replace "Good" with "Lesser Evil", but of course that is because I really hate every team in the EPL, except for a soft spot I used to have for Tottenham.
2007-05-02 11:20:12
10.   Westernmost in Flavor
Sir Alex says that they'll be attacking but if they get an early goal, I don't see how they wouldn't immediately switch to a super-conservative style to force a draw or better.
2007-05-02 11:22:12
11.   Westernmost in Flavor
I'm disappointed this isn't in HD. Does anyone know if the final will be an HD broadcast?
2007-05-02 11:30:48
12.   Zak
11 I believe that the final last year was in HD.

What amazes me about the broadcast is that yesterday's game was an HD broadcast, but ESPN2 showed it as an SD broadcast (with bars on the side). However, when I used the "Just" settings on my HDTV (it eliminates the bars and streches the picture a bit to fit the screen), the Picture Quality was near HD. I don't know why ESPN2 couldn't have just broadcast in HD.

2007-05-02 11:33:24
13.   Zak
10 Well, they scored early in the first leg and then gave up two goals. So, a super-conservative style won't be a good idea for them, imo.

Both teams have good attacks and questionable defenses. Chelsea vs Liverpool, this won't be. I'm predicting Milan winning 4-2, with the last ten minutes or so, heart attack type of stuff for them (and me).

2007-05-02 11:35:53
14.   Westernmost in Flavor
Are you sure yesterday's game was broadcast in HD? I watched it on ESPN2HD so the picture quality was better than on ESPN2 but I think this was just the a matter of watching a SD broadcast on an HD channel.
2007-05-02 11:57:08
15.   Westernmost in Flavor
You'd think they might decide to key in on Kaka at some point
2007-05-02 12:05:12
16.   bhsportsguy
I smell a new Griddle post.

2007-05-02 12:10:23
17.   Westernmost in Flavor
Hey there's a Eugene, Oregon shout-out in the article
2007-05-02 12:16:37
18.   Bob Timmermann
The outlook isn't good for Man U.
2007-05-02 12:18:55
19.   Westernmost in Flavor
An EPL final now seems highly unlikely.
2007-05-02 12:38:47
20.   Zak
So far so good. A Man U goal would give me a coronary though.

When Milan are playing well, they are really fun to watch. Pirlo, Kaka, Gattuso and Seedorf is an excellent midfield.

2007-05-02 13:17:29
21.   Westernmost in Flavor
You gotta believe Saha will be coming in soon
2007-05-02 13:21:14
22.   Zak
Game over!!!
2007-05-02 13:21:45
23.   Zak
Although, Man U still need only two goals to get back into this.
2007-05-02 13:22:24
24.   Westernmost in Flavor
Man U still has that premiership title to fall back on.
2007-05-02 13:28:03
25.   Zak
Which I am happy about. Anyone who can get by Chelsea, I'm a fan of. Plus, they've probably played the best soccer all year around in Europe.
2007-05-02 13:34:05
26.   Westernmost in Flavor
I'm no Man U fan, I just didn't feel right rooting for a Serie A club. It would have felt like rooting for the Black Sox.

That said, Kaka is fun to watch. The final should be an interesting rematch of the 2005 final.

2007-05-02 13:38:40
27.   Zak
I do not disagree with the negative sentiment towards Serie A teams. i've struggled with that all year. That being said, this is nothing like the Black Sox. At no time, were players or fans involved with the scandal. Ideally, the club heads wouldn't be either, but I'm glad that fans and players didn't have to suffer for this.
2007-05-02 13:38:56
28.   Zak
Well, other than monetary fines and points deductions.
2007-05-02 13:39:58
29.   Zak
I can't wait for the final. I will be in Mexico that week. I will have to find a nice bar by the beach to watch this game and get rid of my wife and baby for a couple of hours.
2007-05-02 13:43:35
30.   Zak
Thanks for the thread Bob. Later.
2007-05-02 13:47:25
31.   Westernmost in Flavor
I'm glad that fans and players didn't have to suffer for this

Fans of Juventus would probably disagree with that.

2007-05-02 15:40:19
32.   Zak
I'm too biased in my hatred for Juve to really answer to your comment, but I'll try anyway.

What Juve, as a team, did was way worse than teams like Lazio, Milan and Fiorentina did. Juvetus actually communicated with certain referees and it was proven that they had the referees manipulate the games. In other cases, (at least in Milan's), it was an improper communication with the head of referees to prevent certain referees from officiating in their games. Not that it's correct or justified, but it's a totally different degree of wrongdoing. Plus Milan did pay for it. They had last year's title not handed to them (instead, to make it worse, Inter got it) and they had a points penalty this year, effectively ruling out any chance of winning the title this year. And the only reason they made the CL was because they had enough points last year to withstand a substantial points penalty last year to still qualify.

I know these are all excuses, but, in my humble little mind, I do think some of them are justified, and I don't believe that the penalties imposed on Milan were in any way too lenient.

2007-05-02 19:56:07
33.   Westernmost in Flavor
Oh I totally agree that what Juventus did was much worse. A relegation (plus a points penalty) and removal from Champions League is much worse than what happened to any other team. The punishment fit the crime. I was just making the point that their fans did in fact suffer as a result of the scandal.

AC Milan took its punishment for its lesser role in the scandal and has earned its place in the CL final. For me, it's just such a shady set of circumstances that I feel it's significantly tainted the entire league. Corruption begets corruption and there may be more to the scandal than the public, or the police, will ever know.

2007-05-03 16:56:19
34.   Zak
I can't disagree with that. Sadly, it is true in almost every top league in some form or another, with bungs accepted by managers in England, and player tampering by the officials from big clubs in Spain.

Of course none of this is as bad as what happened in Italy, and it is sad that there are still details coming out which were not included in prior years.

2007-05-03 16:56:43
35.   Zak
I meant prior investigations/court cases at the end of the last paragraph, not prior years.

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