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Day 6 of the Long March: Holiday Bowl open chat
2007-12-27 15:30
by Bob Timmermann

Nothing says, "Your college football team is pretty good, but not really special" more so than a trip to the Holiday Bowl in San Diego (with the noted exception of the 1984 BYU National Championship team). The 2007 edition kicks off at 5 pm PT and matches #12 Arizona State (10-2) and #17 Texas (9-3).

The Sun Devils had a better than expected year thanks in part to a favorable schedule and a penchant for comebacks. The Longhorns had a worse than expected year mainly because they lost to BOTH Oklahoma and Texas A&M.

Arizona State will be appearing in its 24th bowl game and is 12-10-1 in previous bowl games. They are 0-2 in the Holiday Bowl, losing to Arkansas 18-17 in 1985 and falling to Kansas State 34-27 in 2002.

Texas will be appearing in its 47th bowl game and its fourth Holiday Bowl. Texas lost to Oregon 35-30 in 2000, beat Washington 47-43 in 2001, and lost to Washington State 28-20 in 2003. Texas is 23-21-2 overall in bowl games.

Texas and Arizona State have never played each other previously. The Sun Devils will complete the circuit of Pac-10 teams for Texas. ASU has played nine other Big XII schools and still has not played Iowa State or Kansas.

You can choose to cheer on ASU quarterback Rudy Carpenter, the pride of Newbury Park Westlake Village or Texas QB Colt McCoy, who has a name that sounds really cool. Well, at least to me.

2007-12-27 17:30:42
1.   Linkmeister
"Your college football team is pretty good, but not really special"

Well, the payout is upwards of $2 million, which is bigger than the $750K these early bowls have been averaging.

America, where everything can be monetized!

2007-12-27 17:30:55
2.   Johan
Maybe because it's the first bowl game with some decently ranked teams, but I have always kind of liked the Holiday Bowl. The matchups are usually interesting it seems.
2007-12-27 17:34:02
3.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the payouts on some of the bowls the next two days are not as generous.
2007-12-27 18:15:11
4.   Bob Timmermann
Knotty problem of football with the Texas staff member touching a fumble on the field of play.
2007-12-27 19:00:38
5.   Johan
Musberger's 15 minutes of cackling at the poor guy's expense was a little much. But I guess it's better than listening to him assess every player's chances of success in the NFL, because the only reason anyone watches college football is to scout for their favorite NFL team.
2007-12-27 19:08:43
6.   Jike Spingleton
To me, bowl games are broken down into those played on New Year's Day (and shortly thereafter, now that the BCS gets played out over a few days) and those played before New Year's Day (which is where the International Bowl and GMAC Bowl need to return).

Of the pre-New Year's bowls, the Holiday and Peach (I refuse to call it the Chick-Fil-A) are the best, and either could supplant the Gator Bowl and give the New Year's lineup a boost in prestige.

2007-12-27 19:30:41
7.   El Lay Dave
Nothing screams college football like blaring the original recording of "YMCA" over the sound system.
2007-12-27 19:37:37
8.   Eric Stephen
ESPN/ABC will reveal the top two college football players of all time during the Rose Bowl.

I would guess Matt Leinart has to be one of the top two, as he has not yet been mentioned #3-25. But who is the other top player? Has O.J. reached a status such that his pre-1994 life will be ignored?

My guess is OJ 1, Leinart 2.

Ron Powlus was probably #26.

2007-12-27 19:44:48
9.   Bob Timmermann
Red Grange and Barry Sanders will get the 1-2 spots.

There's no way ABC and its sponsors want OJ associated with the promotion.

I'm 99% certain that Grange will be among the top 2. Sanders could lose out to Leinart because of career numbers.

2007-12-27 19:47:52
10.   Eric Stephen
I completely forgot about Red Grange! I would put both Grange and Sanders ahead of Leinart, but I think Leinart is the more likely to be in the top 2.
2007-12-27 19:51:46
11.   Eric Stephen
I just realized, if it's Leinart and Grange at #1 & #2, it will be announced during the Rose Bowl, of course featuring their respective schools.

Now we know why Illinois was chosen for the Rose Bowl! :)

2007-12-27 19:56:41
12.   Bob Timmermann
I think Lisa Salters may have misquoted the kid from Texas who said that his talk about the heart defibrillator "may have ruined my life."

All I know is that death would really ruin my life.

2007-12-27 20:05:02
13.   El Lay Dave
12 I thought that was in reference to his heart condition, not the defibrillator.

Sloppy game. Short-armed punt returner makes head coach nervous.

2007-12-27 20:06:25
14.   Bob Timmermann
The pronoun antecedents in Lisa Salters' talk though would have enraged gpellamjr.
2007-12-27 20:09:05
15.   Johan
Rudy Carpenter doesn't have so much to say when his team is getting rolled.
2007-12-27 20:16:41
16.   El Lay Dave
14 Agreed. I'd bet that for his sanity's sake, he wears out his "mute" button during sports broadcasts.

There are defibrillators mounted on the walls in LAX terminals. So what happens when some random layman uses on of these things on someone who has passed out for some reason, but whose heart is still actually beating?

2007-12-27 20:19:49
17.   Johan
Corbin Bernsen has hit rock bottom.
2007-12-27 20:21:55
18.   El Lay Dave
17 Lower than pal-ing around with Stephen Baldwin?
2007-12-27 20:23:46
19.   Bob Timmermann
The ones in the emergency boxes are designed to not work if your heart is beating. If you open the box an alarm goes off. Some days at work, I get the key that turns off the alarm because people from time to time like to try to open the boxes for kicks.

The noise usually scares people away.

EMTs have different ones and those require the operator to have some medical knowledge. The ones in the boxes are designed that all you really have to do is put the paddles on the person's chest and press buttons and follow instructions that come out of a speaker.

Like, "Press start" or "Don't touch anything!"

2007-12-27 20:37:06
20.   El Lay Dave
19 People are looking to get their kicks in the LAPL?

So there is a sensor in the paddle that detects the presence or absence of a heartbeat? I suppose it is heartening that good safety design came into play. I still worry that the same sorts of people that try to open the box for kicks are the same people who will be trying to follow directions and jump-start a heart.

2007-12-27 20:52:02
21.   Bob Timmermann
What comes out is more of a blanket rather than individual paddles.

It's designed to not let stupid people kill others.

2007-12-27 21:45:42
22.   Eric Stephen
More talk of the ESPN college football list by Tom Hoffarth here:

2007-12-28 10:43:24
23.   capdodger
AED's will only work on patients who have VF or VT arrhythmia. In both cases the heart is still beating, but irregularly. For asystole, good old fashioned CPR is indicated and an AED won't help. If there's no electrical activity or a normal pattern, the AED won't go off.

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