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2008-01-08 10:39
by Bob Timmermann

Beats me. The Hall of Fame voting results from the BBWAA will be announced at 11 am PT. Which is when I will be driving to work, looking for a space in the garage, finding my way up to my office, figuring out who called in sick, rearranging the schedule, going into a small panic over what I have to do before I go on vacation, which is tomorrow.

So by the time I could put up a link, there will already be thousands of people screaming "Fraud!" or "It's about time!" or "Someone gave Shawon Dunston a vote?"

Have at it.

Congratulations to Rich Gossage.


2008-01-08 10:53:25
1.   fanerman
Will you be making Griddle posts while on vacation?
2008-01-08 11:04:41
2.   Mattpat11
2008-01-08 11:11:35
3.   Humma Kavula
Two thoughts:

1. If I had a vote for the Hall of Fame, I am not sure how I would vote on relief pitchers (in general). I can see arguments on both sides and I don't know how I feel about it.

2. If relief pitchers are in the Hall of Fame, Goose deserves to be among them.

2008-01-08 11:13:40
4.   Humma Kavula
Jim Rice: 72.2%. He gets in next year.

For me, he's right on the line. Right now, he defines "just out." Next year, he will define "just in."

2008-01-08 11:19:00
5.   Josh Wilker
4 : I hope you're right. It would help if there are not a lot of new greats on the ballot next year. Does anyone know what new guys will be eligible next year? I think Rickey Henderson, maybe.

Congrats to Goose. He was great and he deserves it.

2008-01-08 11:21:08
6.   williamnyy23
The best thing about the voiting is Rice not getting in at least for one more year. Hopefully better education or the presence of Rickey Henderson will be enough to keep Rice out. If not, Rice's election will be like a linchpin that allows other marginal candidates to make it in.
2008-01-08 11:23:00
7.   williamnyy23
5 Notable names who will be eligible in 2009 include: Steve Avery, Jay Bell, Mike Bordick, John Burkett, David Cone, Ron Gant, Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Charles Nagy, Denny Neagle, Jesse Orosco, Dean Palmer, Dan Plesac, Rick Reed, Greg Vaughn, Mo Vaughn, Matt Williams, Mike Williams.

In other words, Rickey Henderson.

2008-01-08 11:24:02
8.   Humma Kavula
The good: Blyleven is up to 61.9%.

The bad: Raines at 24.3%. Really? 75% of a group of baseball experts can look at Tim Raines's career and reject it for the Hall of Fame?

The ugly: Mark McGwire is still stuck in the 25% range. I was curious to see what would happen with him -- would voters punish him for a single season, or would it be lasting? I guess we have an answer.

In other Hall of Fame news, Brady Anderson and Jose Rijo are unable to find anyone to give them a courtesy vote. Harold Baines, with 5.2% of the vote, gets to try to build on his support next year.

2008-01-08 11:24:50
9.   rbj
1 I think he's waffling on that idea.

Blylevyn, IMO, is more worthy than Rice. And there's always going to be a guy who's "just as good as" the worst HoFer, until you get to the point where everyone who gets even one plate appearance or throws one pitch gets in.

2008-01-08 11:29:42
10.   fanerman
Tim Raines only got 24.3% of the vote? Fraud!
2008-01-08 11:30:47
11.   Humma Kavula

"Fraud," cried the maddened thousands, and the echo answered "Fraud,"
But one scornful look from Bob, and the multitude was awed.

2008-01-08 11:31:30
12.   RIYank
3 Seems fair.
It would be kind of strange to have the position that no relievers are Hall-worthy. We talk about them and GMs think about them as if the position is important, so how could the best of the best of them not be Hall-eligible? But I see what you mean: by ordinary methods of counting player value, the top relievers couldn't measure up to Hall standards.

9 Ouch.

2008-01-08 11:32:31
13.   RIYank
10 11 Never assume fraud when stupidity is a sufficient explanation.
2008-01-08 11:39:14
14.   Humma Kavula
6 Rice will be in the Hall of Fame eventually. No player has ever received a total like his and then failed to get in, either by the BBWAA or by the VC. Look at Nellie Fox, Jim Bunning... even though the VC has changed, I have to believe that it will continue to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, round up, and put 'em in.

Gil Hodges peaked at, what, 60-something percent? That, I believe is the highest vote total by a player not in the HOF.

2008-01-08 11:43:22
15.   williamnyy23
14 I wouldn't underestimate the changes in the VC. Rice's best chance to get in is still via the writers.
2008-01-08 11:46:00
16.   fanerman
Someone gave Travis Fryman a vote?
2008-01-08 11:51:55
17.   Humma Kavula
15 Of course. Nobody knows what the future holds. But I think that the HOF, and both the writers and the VC, do not like to see players come as close as Rice has come and not make it.

I also wonder if the HOF/VC is happy with a VC that doesn't admit any new players. The VC could change again... any number of things can happen. Point being: before I die, he'll be in the HOF.

2008-01-08 12:09:28
18.   williamnyy23
17 How old are you? ;)
2008-01-08 12:23:12
19.   Bob Timmermann
He's old enough to father a child. So that means he could be anywhere from about 12 to however old Tony Randall was when he became a father for the last time.
2008-01-08 12:50:12
20.   Bill Crain
Voros comments on the Jim Rice candidacy:

2008-01-08 14:23:34
21.   Andrew Shimmin
Trying for a Veterans Committee/Viet Cong one-liner, but nothing's coming. Probably for the best.

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